You never did before, why should now be any different?
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Arlon10 — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 04:42 AM)
Although I can be a veritable font of patience, I'll skip abruptly to a point here and note that it's my word against yours. There appear people on both sides who seem certain they are less afraid than the other side. If you imagine you can resolve that or change anyone's mind, good luck. I find it sufficient to note the quandary. Perhaps that's because I have less fear of losing after all.
A lack of belief in a deliberate supernatural is not contingent on belief that it does not exist
There you go again messing with definitions to avoid rather than to facilitate communication.
But you have been told this before
Your attitude is not as impressive as you might think.
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Matthew 15:14 -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 04:54 AM)
note that it's my word against yours.
Indeed. But my words tend to agree with dictionaries, while some of yours require arguing with dictionaries, I recall.
There you go again messing with definitions to avoid rather than to facilitate communication.
Does one really
have
to believe there is no God then to lack belief in one? Where does that leave the standard definition of a soft atheist? Would you have to
mess
with it?
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000 -
Miscella — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 11:13 AM)
I have no issues in being called incredulous
Good. Then you don't believe because you don't want to believe. That pretty much ends all of our little debates about the existence of God. Anything else you'd like to discuss? -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 07:07 AM)
Then you don't believe because you don't want to believe
Incredulous : not willing or not able to believe something; showing an inability to believe something
http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/incredulous
Incredulous can also mean
unable
to believe, Miscella - such as in the case where there is no empirical evidence for something.
Unwilling
implies more of a reluctance even when, perhaps, there is reason. See the difference? But since as always along with other soft atheists I admit that, in the event, I could be wrong, then the former is more pertinent here. Of course, one still might insist that I really 'don't want' to believe in a particular god; but actually I can easily see how the idea of comforting and reassuring supernatural with a confirmed moral structure and reason to everything would be very attractive. Unfortunately 'want' to believe and 'able' to are just too far apart to make this possible, for me at least.
I hope that helps.
Also 'credulous' is more of a negative statement about someone than 'incredulous', which to me at least sounds fairly neutral. And you better believe it.
That pretty much ends all of our little debates about the existence of God.
Incredulity is still not a 'belief' Miscella, something out of which you always wish to make scepticism and doubt - which is generally the point of our 'little debates'. Sorry about that. But keep going.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000 -
Arlon10 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 09:22 AM)
There are two very different things.
- There is no evidence.
- You believe there is no evidence.
You do not appear to understand that very significant difference.
Until you do you're wasting your time.
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Matthew 15:14
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filmflaneur — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 04:34 AM)
There are two very different things.
- There is no evidence.
- You believe there is no evidence.
You do not appear to understand that very significant difference.
Then show me the evidence Arlon, away from your regular personal credulity and the scripture being proof of its own supposed truths.
Until you do, you are wasting the time of everyone.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000
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Miscella — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 05:59 PM)
Incredulous can also mean
unable
to believe
Whether you're unable or unwilling is something only you know for sure. Problem is, if God exists, then He knows it too, and so if it's the latter, then you are
without excuse
, just as Romans 1 says. I can only hope that you hope you're not wrong. -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 07:23 AM)
Whether you're unable or unwilling is something only you know for sure
Well spotted.
Problem is, if God exists, then He knows it too,
This assumes of course that 'god' is conscious - and I know we have had words on this being necessary in the case, say, of a creation which was not deliberate. But otherwise, well spotted again!
I can only hope that you hope you're not wrong.
You are naturally entitled to hope. That, after all, is what religion is all about at the end of the day, is it not? But since I am the only one chatting here (God being busy on the politics board recently) who knows for sure, and as you know that I always attest to the possibility of ultimately being wrong in lacking belief in your god, then it can reasonably suggested that I am
unable
rather
unwilling
. But will you be willing, or able, to accept that reasoning?
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000 -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(February 06, 2017 04:37 AM)
Yes you have already said that. No need to repeat yourself. But it remains the case that, if someone admits that they could be wrong, it is more likely that they are unable, rather than unwilling, to believe. You'll just have to take God's, and my, word for that.
With only two weeks to go, can't you be a little more interesting?
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000 -
Tas-1010 — 9 years ago(January 27, 2017 04:57 PM)
setting things off
by accident
.
The resulting order
..
This is
too much!
(At least, you recognize there is order; but I'll bet you won't call it 'design', will you? Like you can really have order to the degree that is observed, without preparation and arrangement being behind it!)
www.jw.org
or
https://tv.jw.org/#en/home -
graham-167 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:49 AM)
Not even so much as that.
Arlon promised proof of god. But then he kept changing the subject to intelligent design instead. He resolutely ignored every single request for his proof of god. I asked him several times! All ignored.
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senseibushido — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:24 AM)
present science will have to be revised in order to make the alien answer any good
I don't understand why you think this is anything more than a thought experiment. You do realize that the idea of life on earth being created by aliens is merely one
possible
explanation and that only the Erich von Dänikens of the world actually believe it's trueright? Who am I kidding, of course you don't realize that.
the big bang was a hoax perpetrated by theists
I'm sorry, what? -
Arlon10 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:33 AM)
You do realize that the idea of life on earth being created by aliens is merely one
possible
explanation
Possible in the sense of Star Trek possible, which is another way of saying impossible.
Cleanup on aisle 4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
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Matthew 15:14