I asked you over and over for proof of god. Not a "higher being". God.
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filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 03:30 AM)
The notion that "natural agencies" initiated life on a previously molten Earth has been rejected as impossible by me, at least for the purposes of this discussion
Corrected.
The science of the big bang prohibits infinite regression
Which is quite untrue. There is no means of telling how many other Big Bangs there have been, even we admit Arlon's word 'regression' here, a procession of events which implies linear time - which physics tells us did not even exist before the Big Bang.
If I reject the science of the big bang and similar theories of cosmology that proceed from the simple to the complex, the onus is on you to explain how the complex appears without going through simple stages.
Corrected.
What I find often with atheists is that they are trying to persuade people that there is no magic
Yes, magical thinking can be a wonderful thing can't it, lol?
There is no need for humans to evolve from apes if they "just always existed infinitely" and hopped from planet to planet.
Just as one can say there is no need for humans to evolve from apes if they spontaneously appeared on earth due to magic?
I'm well aware that railing does no good
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Arlon10 — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 05:41 AM)
There is no means of telling how many other Big Bangs there have been,
If one big bang can't produce life, 25 of them won't either. Something (someone) must have started without any big bang.
Just as one can say there is no need for humans to evolve from apes if they spontaneously appeared on earth due to magic?
This topic sure has an appropriate title, doesn't it?
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filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 04:36 AM)
There is no means of telling how many other Big Bangs there have been,
If I don't believe one big bang can't produce life, 25 of them won't either
Corrected.
Just as one can say there is no need for humans to evolve from apes if they spontaneously appeared on earth due to magic?
This topic sure has an appropriate title, doesn't it?
Well, it appears that we have to rule out humans appearing via natural causes. What else is left except magic and the supernatural?
I'm well aware that railing does no good
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graham-167 — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 06:58 PM)
We can't have an intelligent discussion about "god" if we aren't using the same definition of god.
Go ahead and define it however you please, when giving me the evidence.
I have no idea what definition you're using.
If you're offering the proof then it's up to you to provide the definition. Define the god and show the proof.
If you actually have something to offer, that is - it's really starting to look like you're just stalling here.
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AlfredMordeir — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 11:04 AM)
"Of course when Kitzmiller v. Dover is overturned in the courts present science will have to be revised in order to make the alien answer any good."
So then you admit you lied in your OP.
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cham313 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 12:32 PM)
Of course when Kitzmiller v. Dover is overturned in the courts
Say, that reminds me of the time that Galileo was forced to admit that he was wrong about the solar system!
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Thorshairspray — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 03:34 PM)
What?
What does what Graham-167 might or might not have said have to do with Kitzmiller V Dover being overturned and even if it was overturned, why would science need to be re written?
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worshipper_pa — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:44 AM)
Arlon10:
Atheists, do you feel stupid? You never did before, why should now be any different?
I feel stupid almost all the time, but almost never when I have an argument with a religious person.
Kitzmiller v. Dover is an example of religion causing insanity in the society. Intelligent Design is not science. It's religious nonsense without any scientific grounding. A lacklustre and intellectually dishonest effort to bring "science" into religion. Evolution on the other hand is a scientific fact supported by overwhelming evidence such as fossils and DNA. Even Darwin himself had enough evidence for evolution (that's why he released his book) and DNA wasn't found until a century later!
Somehow religious people manage to ignore all of this evidence saying there is no evidence. Religion makes people so dishonest! This is why we atheists are so frustrated. The stupidity and ignorance is so staggering. It is insane to teach ID in schools as an alternative for evolution and it is harmful for the children. Children should be teached to be able to tell apart nonsense like ID from real science. Teached to be critical and question things. -
graham-167 — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:46 AM)
Atheists, do you feel stupid?
Sometimes. When I listen to Carl Sagan or Neil De Grasse Tyson, for instance, I sometimes feel stupid. When I contemplate the vast amount of things that humanity doesn't know, I sometimes feel stupid.
You never did before
Wrong. See above.
why should now be any different?
I don't feel stupid now, especially. I'm in an Arlon thread. I generally feel quite smart in those.
Okay, maybe the overturning of Kitzmiller v. Dover took you by complete surprise.
Except it hasn't been overturned.
And honestly, so what if it was? The outcome of some court case in a foreign land doesn't really impact me or my beliefs in any way. Courts have gotten things wrong before, no doubt they will again. Scientific matters are not ultimately decided in court, anyway.
Hang in there! Get organized. Organization isn't such a bad thing. It keeps out the contradictions that can tear you down.
That's okay, I am already quite organised and fairly contradiction-free.
In the end after you get your second wind the theists might show you they're still ahead. The possibility that you might lose is there, but get in the game anyway because that's the spirit idea.
It's not really likely that I'll ever "lose" anything when it comes to theism, Arlon. If they ever proved their case - if you ever managed to provide any proof of god, for instance - that would be a win for me.
If I could stop a rapist from raping a child I would. That's the difference between me and god.