Why is being a "fundamentalist" a bad thing?
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smithjgs — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 02:47 PM)
Aren't you forgetting about psychological harm?
There isn't any unless you are already crazyOr an abusive family.
Being fundamentalist is not harmful in and of itself. There's more than enough happy ones to prove that.
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smithjgs — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 02:52 PM)
You're talking about hurt feelings which is both perfectly legal to cause and also more a reflection of how weak minded the person offended may be.
They should man up and realize that it is not the world's obligation to only believe things they believe.
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AbsolutelyThoughtfulGoz — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 03:04 PM)
So you think that being vilified by a group of people is inconsequential, even if this vilification is illegal?(cake and wedding licence instances)
Those homosexuals and other groups should just 'man up' and 'turn the other cheek'?
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smithjgs — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 05:29 PM)
So you think that being vilified by a group of people is inconsequential, even if this vilification is illegal?(cake and wedding licence instances)
Yes.
You can get a wedding cake anywhere. It's illegal like speeding and pot smoking is illegal. Harmless to all thing but feelings.
And yet you can force a baker to make them, meaning that even that isn't causing harm except to dwell on the notion that the baker doesn't want to bake a cake for gay people. in other words, people aren't even happy with the fact that they can force a person to do something for them.
Hurt feelings.
They should get over it and bask in their superiority.
Those homosexuals and other groups should just 'man up' and 'turn the other cheek'?
They aren't required to turn the other cheek.
They can be as mad and bitter as they want to be, but it is a waste of life to wonder what an evangelical thinks of you.
It's not a requirement for anyone to like anybody &/or their actions. It is perfectly fine to be disgusted by gay stuff except for how it makes the gay person feel and I don;t know why that is relevant to the gay person.
As surprising as this sounds, there's probably a person or two who doesn't like me for any number of reasons- valid or not.
I still manage to sleep well at night.
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AbsolutelyThoughtfulGoz — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 06:05 PM)
I don't think you have been vilified when it means your job, marital status, where and how you live, your status in society and which clubs or whatever you can join is as a result of vilification and prejudice.
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Thorshairspray — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 04:30 PM)
I believe Smith is a black American. I would be careful saying he has never faced discrimination that affected his job or whatever.
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AbsolutelyThoughtfulGoz — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 04:46 PM)
I didn't know that, butt surely the principles remain the same?
He is a little delusional about religion but I have always found him a worthy poster and sometimes quite funny.
I was more pertinently referring to gay and transgender people butt I take your point and meant no harm.
All I could then say, it that he should know that even if it has not happened to him personally butt in his community?
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Thorshairspray — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 04:55 PM)
I know you didn't mean any harm Goz. I know we've argued a lot, but I don't think you're not a bad person or a spiteful one.
I'm just trying to point out that you're kinda making an assumption that doesn't help you. It is entirely possible that his position is informed by racism he has suffered that makes him consider not getting a cake to be too "first World" to be bothered about.
It is also entirely possible he hasn't.
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gadreel — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 08:24 AM)
a reflection of how weak minded the person offended may be.
They should man up
So victims of mental abuse should just harden up? I mean that is the logical conclusion of what you are writing.
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smithjgs — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 02:20 PM)
If you are mentally abused just because someone doesn't like you, then yes you are weak minded.
Don't twist it into anything more than that because you can't.
In any event, whatever advocates for these kinds of "mentally abused" people are, they need to encourage them to brush their shoulders off and live life to the potential they automatically have in non-sucky countries.
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TRUMP_Ftw — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 02:25 PM)
If you are mentally abused just because someone doesn't like you, then yes you are weak minded.
That would be gagreel.
Don't twist it into anything more than that because you can't.
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gadreel — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 04:39 PM)
Bigotry is more than just giving people hurt feelings and your brushing it aside as a simple 'someone does not like you' is pretty harsh.
Going through life being told you are wrong because of a fundamental part of your personality is abusive, and yet you appear to be blaming the victim here.
Feel free to tell me I have the wrong end of the stick, but this is what I am reading from what you are saying.
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smithjgs — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 05:27 AM)
Bigotry is more than just giving people hurt feelings and your brushing it aside as a simple 'someone does not like you' is pretty harsh.
I didn't say it was. However, I don't believe views on sin are bigotry to begin with.
Going through life being told you are wrong because of a fundamental part of your personality is abusive, and yet you appear to be blaming the victim here.
Who goes through life like that?
The answer: very few in non-sucky countries.
If one seeks out the "abuse" against them, then it can't help but to reveal that they may be damaged goods.
Most people will avoid/ignore the conflict altogether rather than run to it shouting "It's not fair that you don't like me!"
If they are truly being discriminated against (The scant few bakers out there that won't bake a wedding cake for example), it's silly to pretend they have no course of action to resolve that.
But again, no one is under any obligation to make them feel better about themselves. The pursuit of happiness is their own responsibility and they need to learn pursue that despite adversity rather than expecting the elimination of it.
It's easy. I do it all the time.
Feel free to tell me I have the wrong end of the stick, but this is what I am reading from what you are saying.
I've already explained myself good enough. If you think that acknowledging sin is mental abuse, if you think that straight people thinking gay stuff is gross is mental abuse you are wrong.
There are clearly other things going on in that person's life that perhaps you don't wish to discuss or don't know.
If that is all there is, then they have a mental problem that most other people don't experience when they face contrary views.
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gadreel — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 09:57 AM)
I've already explained myself good enough. If you think that acknowledging sin is mental abuse, if you think that straight people thinking gay stuff is gross is mental abuse you are wrong.
Simply thinking it would be no issue, no one has any right to what other people think, but the sad fact is that many people discriminate against or put down people they do not agree with (interesting you bring up specifically homosexuals, you would have been better picking a group that is not currently being vilified), getting told you are an abomination, that you will spend eternity in hell, being the but of jokes, scared of getting beaten up because someone cannot accept how you are (I will not go into actually getting beaten, that is clearly physical) these are things that cause actual real world harm but apparently you think they shoudl just get over it.
Not a great Christian attitude I would have said, does Jesus not say that love is the greatest commandment?
I am writing this under appreciable mental strain