Bible-Believing Scientists of the Past
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graham-167 — 9 years ago(December 26, 2016 03:25 AM)
Its perfectly possible to be a creationist and do science.
And certainly if you were born in an era when our knowledge of science was far weaker than it is now, it is even understandable why a scientist might be a creationist; they were ignorant and didn't know any better.
And yes, when Darwin published his famous theory, it was possible to oppose it on a scientific basis. This only really changed as the evidence began to pile up and it became necessary to remain ignorant of it or lie about it in order to remain a creationist.
However, it remains true that today, if you claim that creationism itself is scientific then you have stopped doing science in that particular subject and ceased to be a scientist where that subject is concerned.
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Tas-1010 — 9 years ago(December 26, 2016 03:28 PM)
.the evidence began to pile up
Please list some
specific
evidences that began to "pile up", please. Three will do. (Or as much as you'd like.)
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graham-167 — 9 years ago(December 26, 2016 07:11 PM)
The discovery of DNA, which behaved exactly as it needed to in order to allow evolution to happen. Scientists were predicting DNA or something functionally identical had to exist to explain how evolution worked, long before it was discovered and analysed.
Observations of evolution in action in the fossil record.
Observation of evolution, including speciation events, in living species.
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Melanie000 — 9 years ago(December 26, 2016 08:12 PM)
Observation of evolution, including speciation events, in living species.
More detail please and links would be nice! Because afaik, change within species has been observed, but that's not evolution, it's mutation.
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senseibushido — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 01:59 AM)
And in doing so you acknowledged that changes
have
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senseibushido — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 02:41 AM)
That goal post has to be in constant motion. The alternative is acknowledging that speciation isn't all that special. If humans can breed something like a pomeranian from something like a wolf in a few thousand years, the leap from something like a four-legged sea lion to something like a whale in a few million years isn't all that extreme. (which is, of course, why they need to deny that things have been around that long as well)
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jmarkoff2 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 02:44 AM)
Paleontologist Donald Prothero compared the constantly moving baramin goal post to Lewis Carroll's version of Humpty Dumpty, who said that when he used a word, it only meant what he wanted it to mean for as long as he was saying it.
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Melanie000 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 03:49 AM)
No kidding. They are still cats, and breeding a house cat with a lion is theoretically possible. So where are those details?
Evolution happens at far too slow a rate to be observed so your claim to know otherwise deserves ridicule. I am not a creationist but your defence of evolution actually harms it. -
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OldSamVimes — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 11:38 PM)
which you well know.
I didn't know, that's why I asked.
It's fine whatever you believe, it's just that most Christians I know believe that God created the Universe.
If God created evolution, isn't that still creating?
so grow up.
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RedBaroness1966 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 05:18 AM)
I think there are plenty of examples of observed speciation in plants but on the whole it's a pointless argument, as you say the evolution of species is extremely slow in the animal world so comparative genomics is how we work out phylogenetics. I've seen studies on fruit flies that work out the genes involved in speciation and possibly Mice, this is possible because they're both genetic model organisms but the 'show me examples of speciation in action' argument is facile.
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Melanie000 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 04:14 PM)
but the 'show me examples of speciation in action' argument is facile.
Meh, it was his claim. He can't back up his argument. Neither you nor he seems to realise that he's not doing evolution any favours by his 'defence'. If his claim is so easily torpedoed, and it is,
then don't use it! Find a better one!
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PoisonedDragon — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 04:32 PM)
"Examples of 'speciation in action'" would be living members of the
canidae
, descended from now-vanished common ancestors, which have sufficiently diverged that they are no longer capable of interbreeding successfully with other members of
canidae
. The African wild dog is an example of one such. These are transitional forms.
Almost all living species are examples of transitional forms, except those which have proven sufficiently successful within their niches that no morphological adaptations have been necessary, and have remained virtually unchanged for millions of years.
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