Bible-Believing Scientists of the Past
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senseibushido — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 01:59 AM)
And in doing so you acknowledged that changes
have
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senseibushido — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 02:41 AM)
That goal post has to be in constant motion. The alternative is acknowledging that speciation isn't all that special. If humans can breed something like a pomeranian from something like a wolf in a few thousand years, the leap from something like a four-legged sea lion to something like a whale in a few million years isn't all that extreme. (which is, of course, why they need to deny that things have been around that long as well)
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jmarkoff2 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 02:44 AM)
Paleontologist Donald Prothero compared the constantly moving baramin goal post to Lewis Carroll's version of Humpty Dumpty, who said that when he used a word, it only meant what he wanted it to mean for as long as he was saying it.
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Melanie000 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 03:49 AM)
No kidding. They are still cats, and breeding a house cat with a lion is theoretically possible. So where are those details?
Evolution happens at far too slow a rate to be observed so your claim to know otherwise deserves ridicule. I am not a creationist but your defence of evolution actually harms it. -
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OldSamVimes — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 11:38 PM)
which you well know.
I didn't know, that's why I asked.
It's fine whatever you believe, it's just that most Christians I know believe that God created the Universe.
If God created evolution, isn't that still creating?
so grow up.
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RedBaroness1966 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 05:18 AM)
I think there are plenty of examples of observed speciation in plants but on the whole it's a pointless argument, as you say the evolution of species is extremely slow in the animal world so comparative genomics is how we work out phylogenetics. I've seen studies on fruit flies that work out the genes involved in speciation and possibly Mice, this is possible because they're both genetic model organisms but the 'show me examples of speciation in action' argument is facile.
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Melanie000 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 04:14 PM)
but the 'show me examples of speciation in action' argument is facile.
Meh, it was his claim. He can't back up his argument. Neither you nor he seems to realise that he's not doing evolution any favours by his 'defence'. If his claim is so easily torpedoed, and it is,
then don't use it! Find a better one!
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PoisonedDragon — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 04:32 PM)
"Examples of 'speciation in action'" would be living members of the
canidae
, descended from now-vanished common ancestors, which have sufficiently diverged that they are no longer capable of interbreeding successfully with other members of
canidae
. The African wild dog is an example of one such. These are transitional forms.
Almost all living species are examples of transitional forms, except those which have proven sufficiently successful within their niches that no morphological adaptations have been necessary, and have remained virtually unchanged for millions of years.
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filmflaneur — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 03:44 AM)
Evolution happens at far too slow a rate to be observed
There is no 'set speed' for evolution. Some species hardly change for millions of years. Others can change within a few generations, or a few years. An obvious example is the change within micro organisms lately, brought about by the pressure to survive resulting in anti biotic resistance.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
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Melanie000 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 04:54 PM)
An obvious example is the change within micro organisms lately, brought about by the pressure to survive resulting in anti biotic (sic, learn to spell) resistance
.
That is not evolution,
. It's mutation.
Laws are silent in times of War - Cicero