Bible-Believing Scientists of the Past
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jmarkoff2 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 02:44 AM)
Paleontologist Donald Prothero compared the constantly moving baramin goal post to Lewis Carroll's version of Humpty Dumpty, who said that when he used a word, it only meant what he wanted it to mean for as long as he was saying it.
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Melanie000 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 03:49 AM)
No kidding. They are still cats, and breeding a house cat with a lion is theoretically possible. So where are those details?
Evolution happens at far too slow a rate to be observed so your claim to know otherwise deserves ridicule. I am not a creationist but your defence of evolution actually harms it. -
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OldSamVimes — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 11:38 PM)
which you well know.
I didn't know, that's why I asked.
It's fine whatever you believe, it's just that most Christians I know believe that God created the Universe.
If God created evolution, isn't that still creating?
so grow up.
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RedBaroness1966 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 05:18 AM)
I think there are plenty of examples of observed speciation in plants but on the whole it's a pointless argument, as you say the evolution of species is extremely slow in the animal world so comparative genomics is how we work out phylogenetics. I've seen studies on fruit flies that work out the genes involved in speciation and possibly Mice, this is possible because they're both genetic model organisms but the 'show me examples of speciation in action' argument is facile.
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Melanie000 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 04:14 PM)
but the 'show me examples of speciation in action' argument is facile.
Meh, it was his claim. He can't back up his argument. Neither you nor he seems to realise that he's not doing evolution any favours by his 'defence'. If his claim is so easily torpedoed, and it is,
then don't use it! Find a better one!
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PoisonedDragon — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 04:32 PM)
"Examples of 'speciation in action'" would be living members of the
canidae
, descended from now-vanished common ancestors, which have sufficiently diverged that they are no longer capable of interbreeding successfully with other members of
canidae
. The African wild dog is an example of one such. These are transitional forms.
Almost all living species are examples of transitional forms, except those which have proven sufficiently successful within their niches that no morphological adaptations have been necessary, and have remained virtually unchanged for millions of years.
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filmflaneur — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 03:44 AM)
Evolution happens at far too slow a rate to be observed
There is no 'set speed' for evolution. Some species hardly change for millions of years. Others can change within a few generations, or a few years. An obvious example is the change within micro organisms lately, brought about by the pressure to survive resulting in anti biotic resistance.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
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Melanie000 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 04:54 PM)
An obvious example is the change within micro organisms lately, brought about by the pressure to survive resulting in anti biotic (sic, learn to spell) resistance
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That is not evolution,
. It's mutation.
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graham-167 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 04:23 AM)
See below. I posted them, you ignored them.
"When a person who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, they can either stop being mistaken or stop being honest."
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graham-167 — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 06:23 PM)
I've linked you to them. They're right up there in my response, simply wind back and you will see it.
Here's what I posted, a second time :
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/evolution-watching-speciation-occur-observations/
"For example, there were the two new species of American goatsbeards (or salsifies, genus Tragopogon) that sprung into existence in the past century. In the early 1900s, three species of these wildflowers - the western salsify (T. dubius), the meadow salsify (T. pratensis), and the oyster plant (T. porrifolius) - were introduced to the United States from Europe. As their populations expanded, the species interacted, often producing sterile hybrids. But by the 1950s, scientists realized that there were two new variations of goatsbeard growing. While they looked like hybrids, they weren't sterile. They were perfectly capable of reproducing with their own kind but not with any of the original three species - the classic definition of a new species."
http://www.darwinwasright.org/observations_speciation.html
"The London Underground mosquito is a species of mosquito in the genus Culex found in the London Underground. It evolved from the overground species Culex pipiens.
This mosquito, although first discovered in the London Underground system, has been found in underground systems around the world. It is suggested that it may have adapted to human-made underground systems since the last century from local above-ground Culex pipiens, although more recent evidence suggests that it is a southern mosquito variety related to Culex pipiens that has adapted to the warm underground spaces of northern cities.
The species have very different behaviours, are extremely difficult to mate, and with different allele frequency, consistent with genetic drift during a founder event. More specifically, this mosquito, Culex pipiens molestus, breeds all-year round, is cold intolerant, and bites rats, mice, and humans, in contrast to the above ground species Culex pipiens that is cold tolerant, hibernates in the winter, and bites only birds. When the two varieties were cross-bred the eggs were infertile suggesting reproductive isolation."
You ignored it. You can accuse me of lying all you like, but anybody who reads the thread can see that you are the one lying here. Typical creationist "I won't look and you can't make me so it doesn't exist!" approach to anything they don't like.
If I could stop a rapist from raping a child I would. That's the difference between me and god.