Is the Virgin Birth considered rape?
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AlfredMordeir — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 10:51 AM)
Consent is saying "yes" when you have the freedom and power to say "no", and god has pretty nasty track record of not taking "No" for an answer.
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smithjgs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 10:53 AM)
So the reason it wasn't consent is because of fan fiction where Mary is too scared to say no rather than singing a song about it?
What other things can we make up in order to make sure to call it rape?
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AlfredMordeir — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 11:46 AM)
Ah, so you're using the "It's not rape if she enjoyed it" defense. Classy.
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Blade_TillTheEnd — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:36 PM)
Also Lulz at the suggestions of rape.
PD and Sam just tried this same crap last week and failed miserably.
As soon as the passage where Mary consents is posted, they vanish or try and change the subject.
I have no interest in refraining from my dishonesty and stupidity.
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LostKiera — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 08:59 AM)
Didn't say it was ok, just it's stretching the definition of rape to call it a rape. There was no sex and what God did, Mary is portrayed as consenting to. Admittedly, you could argue she wasn't really able to say no to her God.
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LostKiera — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 09:28 AM)
It's interesting that it doesn't appear in Mark. I wonder if it was a conscious decision by Matthew and Luke (or perhaps a source they both drew from like the hypothetical Q) to ape the likes of Ovid (where Zeus regularly rapes women and impregnates them as a result) but with less brutality and token consent.
But aside from all that, I agree it is a problem for modern Christians since it suggests God, rather than the person in question, has final say over body autonomy. -
CODY_Jarrett_jr — 9 years ago(December 31, 2016 03:54 AM)
It's interesting that it doesn't appear in Mark
It's also interesting how some skeptics complain about all four gospels having four versions of the same narrative. And others complain about the gospels not having four exact copies of the same narrative. -
smithjgs — 9 years ago(January 01, 2017 08:32 AM)
There is a common misconception that the Gospels mirror each other. They do not.
In fact, they are distinctly different from each other with only a few unifying accounts.
In short, it's not unusual at all for the Gospels to have different parts of the story since they were written for different audiences.
If this is Locke, then who's in there?