Is the Virgin Birth considered rape?
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LostKiera — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 08:59 AM)
Didn't say it was ok, just it's stretching the definition of rape to call it a rape. There was no sex and what God did, Mary is portrayed as consenting to. Admittedly, you could argue she wasn't really able to say no to her God.
So I think at worst it could be called a coerced violation. -
LostKiera — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 09:28 AM)
It's interesting that it doesn't appear in Mark. I wonder if it was a conscious decision by Matthew and Luke (or perhaps a source they both drew from like the hypothetical Q) to ape the likes of Ovid (where Zeus regularly rapes women and impregnates them as a result) but with less brutality and token consent.
But aside from all that, I agree it is a problem for modern Christians since it suggests God, rather than the person in question, has final say over body autonomy. -
CODY_Jarrett_jr — 9 years ago(December 31, 2016 03:54 AM)
It's interesting that it doesn't appear in Mark
It's also interesting how some skeptics complain about all four gospels having four versions of the same narrative. And others complain about the gospels not having four exact copies of the same narrative. -
smithjgs — 9 years ago(January 01, 2017 08:32 AM)
There is a common misconception that the Gospels mirror each other. They do not.
In fact, they are distinctly different from each other with only a few unifying accounts.
In short, it's not unusual at all for the Gospels to have different parts of the story since they were written for different audiences.
If this is Locke, then who's in there? -
smithjgs — 9 years ago(January 01, 2017 09:21 AM)
From a Christian perspective, why do you think Mark and John left out the birth narrative? Do you think they were not aware of it, or that they considered it unimportant?
Quite the opposite. It's because it had already been chronicled.
No one was ignorant to the account (John was an apostle & Mark would have gotten his information from Peter) and there are decades worth of time difference between Matthew & John.
John's message was more of an encouragement/enlightenment letter to an established Christian Church.
Luke was a more investigative accounting of Jesus' life with Acts serving as a sequal for the birth of Christianity.
Matthew was written for Jews & Mark for Gentiles who couldn't care less about how Jesus fits into Jewish prophecy (the primary reason Jesus' birth is so important). The highlights of Mark were regarding Jesus' ministry and his functions as the Messiah.
If this is Locke, then who's in there? -
eddyhops — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 07:11 AM)
I am the Lords servant, Mary answered. May your word to me be fulfilled. Then the angel left her.
Sounds like consent to me.
Trust me the books have been cooked
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eddyhops — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 07:19 AM)
Because you say so? LOL
Countless translations, edits, omissions, additions over thousands of years bringing us to dozens of various different contemporary volumes notwithstanding
yes.
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quyst — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 11:04 AM)
LOL - Eddy thinks the reason the various translations and editions exist is because they are presenting vastly different versions contextually. LOL
Such is the mind of the naive secularist who desires to justify his unbelief.
He fails to understand that the different translations present the same Scripture in alternate styles of presentation. He fails to see that updates (edits) to versions/translations of Scripture are primarily required because of colloquial changes in language from one generation to the next.
Poor, deluded secularist. -
CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 09:05 AM)
Poor you. Are you triggered again, little fella?
EDIT: Wow, you had to go back and add 'people of color'. Don't be transparent or anything.
Hunters have a perverted gun fetish, so sayeth a terrorist supporting kiddie-fiddler.