Question for Christians about Catholics
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lennys_here — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 09:23 AM)
Catholics are the original Christians and the two terms are inseparable.
Protestant denoms are autonomous in their accountability, so many Pastors preach what they want. Usually a learned behaviour passed down.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 09:36 AM)
Anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior, has repented of their sins, and has put their trust and faith in him is a Christian. No matter what denomination they go by.
That being said, there are many things that the Catholic Church teaches that are just downright blasphemous.
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lennys_here — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 09:50 AM)
That being said, there are many things that the Catholic Church teaches that are just downright blasphemous.
Yes, regardless of the number of times they have been clarified for you. Sadly this is the result of one being taught what to think, rather than how to think.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 09:51 AM)
That's a bunch of BS. It's never been clarified. It's been defended by Catholics because that's the only thing that they've ever been taught and they will defend the church over anything else. The only thing that's been clarified is that Catholics are pretty much brainwashed into believing whatever the church tells them
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 09:58 AM)
That is the perfect example of what I am talking about. The church doesn't make me a better Christian. Going to the Catholic Church doesn't make me more knowledgeable. Reading the Bible and praying to God make me a knowledgable Christian.
Fact is you only get your knowledge from the church. You're not allowed to think for yourself if you're a Catholic. You have to have the Bishops or the priests tell you what the Bible says.
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lennys_here — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 10:23 AM)
Fortunately I do that everyday, however with a complete version of the bible. Thus a more knowledgeable viewpoint.
Fact is you only get your knowledge from the church. You're not allowed to think for yourself if you're a Catholic. You have to have the Bishops or the priests tell you what the Bible says.
Gosh, I can't remember the last time I spoke, heard anything from the Bishop. Excellent fella btw. And if that were the case, I wouldn't have so many disagreements with our current pastor.
What you describe is modern day Protestantism. Just look at those that picket funerals or the lock in step folks a Tempe faithful word Baptist, to see what blind worship yields.
My beef with you is the casual disregard of the one you claim we worship. The offhandedness of your remarks regarding the one that bore the light of the world is nothing short of disgraceful and you should be ashamed.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 10:28 AM)
What should I be ashamed of? The fact that the Catholic church incorporated many Pagan rituals? The fact that the Catholic Church considers the pope to be Jesus Christ on Earth? The fact that you pray to Mary which isn't at all talked about in the Bible?
And just by using those people that picket funerals as an example of protestantism shows you really have absolutely no argument.
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lennys_here — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 10:49 AM)
What should I be ashamed of? The fact that the Catholic church incorporated many Pagan rituals?
Like I said, you are taught what to think.
The fact that the Catholic Church considers the pope to be Jesus Christ on Earth?
100% wrong. But I'm sure your programming will not allow you to change this false teaching.
The fact that you pray to Mary which isn't at all talked about in the Bible?
We are taught to pray for one another. This you should already know.
And just by using those people that picket funerals as an example of protestantism shows you really have absolutely no argument.
Demonstrates being taught what to think. Not how to think. We have a hierarchy to prevent a rogue pastor from teaching unbiblical teachings.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 10:58 AM)
100% wrong. But I'm sure your programming will not allow you to change this false teaching.
Apparently you didn't read what I wrote up above about the New York catechism and how it explains the role of the Pope on Earth.
We are taught to pray for one another. This you should already know.
Yes, we do pray for one another. But we don't pray to those who are already dead.
Demonstrates being taught what to think. Not how to think. We have a hierarchy to prevent a rogue pastor from teaching unbiblical teachings.
Except for the unbiblical stuff that the Catholic church already teaches
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lennys_here — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 11:08 AM)
Apparently you didn't read what I wrote up above about the New York catechism and how it explains the role of the Pope on Earth.
The Pope is the vicar
of
Christ.
Yes, we do pray for one another. But we don't pray to those who are already dead.
Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
Except for the unbiblical stuff that the Catholic church already teaches
According to you.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:03 PM)
The Bible nowhere mentions anyone asking for someone in heaven to pray for him. The Bible nowhere describes anyone in heaven praying for anyone on earth. The Bible gives absolutely no indication that Mary or the saints can hear our prayers. Mary and the saints are not omniscient. Even glorified in heaven, they are still finite beings with limitations. How could they possibly hear the prayers of millions of people?
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lennys_here — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:27 PM)
Well let's get it straight first. Are they dead or not?
Even glorified in heaven, they are still finite beings with limitations.
You know this how? Or do you have a bible passage for this that has met with your Pastors approval?
How could they possibly hear the prayers of millions of people?
The Lord says there are angels among us (it's mentioned in the bible). Do you know their limitations?
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:30 PM)
I do know their limitations because only God is omniscient and omnipresent. Even the angels are not that.
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Blade_TillTheEnd — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:33 PM)
You know this how? Or do you have a bible passage for this that has met with your Pastors approval?
You seem to have stumped him with that one.
I have no interest in refraining from my dishonesty and stupidity.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:37 PM)
There is nothing to be stumped about. There is no biblical passage that says we are omniscient and omnipresent in heaven.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:38 PM)
I did answer his question. We as human beings have limitations. Only God is omniscient and omnipresent.
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