Question for Christians about Catholics
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 10:28 AM)
What should I be ashamed of? The fact that the Catholic church incorporated many Pagan rituals? The fact that the Catholic Church considers the pope to be Jesus Christ on Earth? The fact that you pray to Mary which isn't at all talked about in the Bible?
And just by using those people that picket funerals as an example of protestantism shows you really have absolutely no argument.
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lennys_here — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 10:49 AM)
What should I be ashamed of? The fact that the Catholic church incorporated many Pagan rituals?
Like I said, you are taught what to think.
The fact that the Catholic Church considers the pope to be Jesus Christ on Earth?
100% wrong. But I'm sure your programming will not allow you to change this false teaching.
The fact that you pray to Mary which isn't at all talked about in the Bible?
We are taught to pray for one another. This you should already know.
And just by using those people that picket funerals as an example of protestantism shows you really have absolutely no argument.
Demonstrates being taught what to think. Not how to think. We have a hierarchy to prevent a rogue pastor from teaching unbiblical teachings.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 10:58 AM)
100% wrong. But I'm sure your programming will not allow you to change this false teaching.
Apparently you didn't read what I wrote up above about the New York catechism and how it explains the role of the Pope on Earth.
We are taught to pray for one another. This you should already know.
Yes, we do pray for one another. But we don't pray to those who are already dead.
Demonstrates being taught what to think. Not how to think. We have a hierarchy to prevent a rogue pastor from teaching unbiblical teachings.
Except for the unbiblical stuff that the Catholic church already teaches
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lennys_here — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 11:08 AM)
Apparently you didn't read what I wrote up above about the New York catechism and how it explains the role of the Pope on Earth.
The Pope is the vicar
of
Christ.
Yes, we do pray for one another. But we don't pray to those who are already dead.
Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
Except for the unbiblical stuff that the Catholic church already teaches
According to you.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:03 PM)
The Bible nowhere mentions anyone asking for someone in heaven to pray for him. The Bible nowhere describes anyone in heaven praying for anyone on earth. The Bible gives absolutely no indication that Mary or the saints can hear our prayers. Mary and the saints are not omniscient. Even glorified in heaven, they are still finite beings with limitations. How could they possibly hear the prayers of millions of people?
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lennys_here — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:27 PM)
Well let's get it straight first. Are they dead or not?
Even glorified in heaven, they are still finite beings with limitations.
You know this how? Or do you have a bible passage for this that has met with your Pastors approval?
How could they possibly hear the prayers of millions of people?
The Lord says there are angels among us (it's mentioned in the bible). Do you know their limitations?
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:30 PM)
I do know their limitations because only God is omniscient and omnipresent. Even the angels are not that.
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Blade_TillTheEnd — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:33 PM)
You know this how? Or do you have a bible passage for this that has met with your Pastors approval?
You seem to have stumped him with that one.
I have no interest in refraining from my dishonesty and stupidity.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:37 PM)
There is nothing to be stumped about. There is no biblical passage that says we are omniscient and omnipresent in heaven.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:38 PM)
I did answer his question. We as human beings have limitations. Only God is omniscient and omnipresent.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:41 PM)
Do you want me to list every single Bible verse that says that God is omniscient and omnipresent? I can do that.
However, Catholics will have a real hard time finding any biblical verse that says that people in heaven are either.
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Blade_TillTheEnd — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:43 PM)
Stop answering a question that nobody has asked.
List every passage that says dead people can't hear our prayers. Ready? Go.
I have no interest in refraining from my dishonesty and stupidity.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:47 PM)
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 says that God will drive out those who call up the dead. Leviticus 19:31 says that meeting with a medium or spiritist defiles the one who came, and Leviticus 20:27 says the punishment for being a medium or spiritist was death.
So basically communicating with the dead is a no no.
And besides that, people in heaven are not concerned with things of the earth. They are busy worshiping Jesus.
Now can you show me any verse that says that we are to pray to those that are in heaven?
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Blade_TillTheEnd — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:49 PM)
List every passage that says dead people can't hear our prayers. Ready? Go.
Still waiting. Don't even think you can wiggle out of this.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 01:51 PM)
There is no specific verse that says exactly that. But if you actually understand the Bible, and read the whole thing, you understand you're not supposed to do that.
But please list every single verse that says we are to communicate with those who have died and now are in heaven
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