http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/07/same-sex-kids-raised-gays/
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AbsolutelyThoughtfulGoz — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 12:32 AM)
The article does, which was what I was discussing as presented in the OP.
My 'observations' were limited to an observation that there could have been some bias and insufficient sample size as suggested by the article that was posted.
It was you that ran off half cocked
about the study, which was not presented and about which I made one observation about the author of the study being Catholic.
Ergo my observation that the author was Catholic was not based on ignorance, butt on the evidence given.
Everything else is in your mind.
You clearly did not examine the evidence of the words in my post to back your claims.
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gadreel — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 09:04 AM)
I disagree, the study clearly admits that it concludes nothing:
Interpretation of these limited small-sample findings is necessarily speculative.
the very small size of the sample of children raised by lesbians imposes important limits and prompts great caution regarding the conclusions of this study. As with all observational studies, causal inference is not possible.
In particular, the lack of useful measures for parent mental distress, depression, family history of violence, alcohol consumption, and substance abuse precluded examination of important familial risk factors which may be associated with child distress. For these reasons, the findings of this study should be considered only provisional and exploratory until and unless they are confirmed by further research.
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gadreel — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 05:15 PM)
How do you feel about the studies own admission that the sample size was so small and the unaccounted for factors so prevalent that nothing could be reasonably drawn from the study in terms of actual conclusions?
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Blade_TillTheEnd — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 12:49 PM)
The gay advocates sure are quiet now. hmm.
I guess they can't claim there's "no difference" between same sex parents and opposite sex parents anymore. The facts say everything.
I have no interest in refraining from my dishonesty and stupidity.
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Cinemachinery — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 01:10 PM)
There's simply no way the website that gave us "Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy" and "Media strangely silent on Hillary's health" would present a skewed anything.
Jezebel, Breitbart, Motherjones, The Blaze, Slate - these are just where thinking people get their news!
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Blade_TillTheEnd — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 02:04 PM)
There's simply no way the website
that gave us "Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy" and "Media strangely silent on Hillary's health"
would present a skewed anything.
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/drt/2016/2410392/
You were saying?
I have no interest in refraining from my dishonesty and stupidity.
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 02:21 PM)
Let's compare their discussion/conclusion of that study to some of what's been said in this thread. Them:
Interpretation of these limited small-sample findings is necessarily speculative the very small size of the sample of children raised by lesbians imposes important limits and prompts great caution regarding the conclusions of this study. As with all observational studies, causal inference is not possible. Moreover, many subtle distinctions and pathways of influence simply cannot be addressed with only 20 cases, and unobserved differences between the parent comparison groups may well confound some or all of the child differences observed For these reasons, the findings of this study should be considered only provisional and exploratory until and unless they are confirmed by further research.
As initial results, the present findings should be interpreted with caution and balance, based on the limited evidence presented, and (it is hoped) neither exaggerated nor dismissed out of hand on preconceived ideological grounds.
You:
I guess they can't claim there's "no difference" between same sex parents and opposite sex parents anymore. The facts say everything.
Because children need a mother and father. It's a fact.
Jose:
Making a child grow up without a male and female role model is inherently abusive. Science. So even "good" gay parents are not good parents.
Hmmm, I'm detecting a substantial difference here.
warriorspirit
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CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 02:23 PM)
The difference between scientific studies and the people who rely on them to push an agenda - a truly scientific study has no agenda.
"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 02:55 PM)
The difference between scientific studies and the people who rely on them to push an agenda - a truly scientific study has no agenda.
QFT
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CashIsSupreme — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 02:21 PM)
Sorry Cine, but regardless of the fact that the OP links to Breitbart where a decidedly unscientific spin is to be expected, the study itself comes from a credible source and shows exactly what it is reported to show. Eva brought up one possible factor and another would be the quality of open-access journals. However, that last one would require bringing into question numerous studies on a wide-range of topics.
"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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Cinemachinery — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 04:21 PM)
No need to be sorry at all - the reason I'm pointing to Breitbart is the presentation of a study about which the author himself has stated "I agree that its a small sample, and the results should be interpreted with caution." - like ThinkProgress, Mother Jones, etc., it plays up verbiage and uses such studies for click bait instead of reporting.
There's a scarcity of good data on same sex parenting as of yet, one of the reasons being data sets for the results of same sex parenting are still generally taken from 1995 onward, when actually becoming a same sex parents was a battle in and of itself in most areas, there was a higher degree of social hostility, marriage was still denied, etc.
I wasn't even thinking of the open access nature of the journal - more the author's words of caution in both interviews and his own intro, along with Breitbart's added "flair".
"I can use stage combat in a real life fight, right?" - Blade