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    tyler-92 — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 12:58 AM)

    Yes, the pinch hitter is out of the game unless the manager does a double switch. A double switch involves simultaneously taking two players out of the lineup at the same time, effectively switching their spots in the order. The pinch hitter would have to replace someone in the field in the following inning to remain in the game, and the pitcher's spot in the batting order would move to where the removed player had been hitting.

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      marsexplorer — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 01:15 AM)

      WOW you guys really fell for it. Do you think he is that stupid?
      Does it depend on the batter what pitches are thrown? Of course it does, different hitters have different weaknesses.
      Can a pitch hitter bat twice within 9 at bats? No, even if he led off his next at bat would be the 10th.

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        tyler-92 — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 02:31 AM)

        Yes, I think he's that stupid.

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          kenneglds — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 03:23 AM)

          Does it depend on the batter what pitchers are thrown? Of course it does, different hitters have different weaknesses.
          Yes, and it would also depend on what a pitcher's best pitches normally are. What is his OUT PITCH, and what are normally the less effective pitchers of the particular pitcher. And then it would also depend on what particular pitches have been working best for that particular pitcher on that particular day. And then it could also depend on how the pitcher/catcher have been trying to SET-UP a particular batter. And also how the particular batter has been doing recently. Basically, there are all kinds of factors that can be involved.
          As for the question as to whether a pinch hitter can bat twice within 9 at bats, no, nobody can bat twice within 9 at bats. A pinch hitter can't even PINCH-HIT twice in the same game. A pinch hitter would be out of the game after the 1st time he pinch hits, unless he gets on base, in which case he would be out of the game immediately after his base running "adventures" for that inning come to an end. The pinch hitter is out of the game unless his manager then moves him to a position at the start of the next half inning, in which case the pinch-utter can come to bat later in the game (but it won't be as a pinch-hitter)
          Do you think he is that stupid?
          It would be unusual for a big baseball fan to not know the answer to some of the questions asked.

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            tyler-92 — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 12:06 PM)

            Here's a more interesting question.
            National League park, runner on first, two outs. Pitcher is due up. A pinch hitter is in the on-deck circle about to come up to the plate for the pitcher. While he's leaving the on-deck circle, the runner on first steps off the bag. What do you know, the first baseman had the ball. The ol' Hidden Ball Trick! The runner is tagged out and the inning ends.
            Question, have you burned that pinch hitter? What if he had gotten all the way to the plate but hadn't seen a pitch yet? At what point is that player part of the game?

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              klawrencio — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 12:29 PM)

              At what point is that player part of the game?
              Having not independently checked the rule book, it happens when the pinch hitter is "announced" to the umpire by the manager. You'll see guys in the on deck circle multiple times before they actually bat. Perhaps I am mistaken.

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                justanicknamed — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 01:03 PM)

                Nope, that is correct. You'll see the ump change his line-up card and motion to the press box to let them know the ump has acknowledged the change.

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                  tyler-92 — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 02:23 PM)

                  Does this happen as the guy is walking to the plate from the on-deck circle? Because I know you can still pull a pinch hitter from the on-deck circle to save him for later.

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                    kenneglds — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 06:13 PM)

                    I would have said he is officially in the game the moment he is announced into it by the PA announcer. But I am not sure that is right. What Klaw said might be correct.

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                      tyler-92 — 9 years ago(January 20, 2017 12:30 AM)

                      I'm sure what klaw said is correct. I was just pondering when that moment occurs, typically. I'd imagine it's as he's moving to the batter's box.

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                        justanicknamed — 9 years ago(January 20, 2017 05:18 AM)

                        Yes. If you watch the exchange, the batter will approach the batter's box and the ump will record who it is, then turn and motion to the press box.
                        It is at that moment he's now the batter of record. It isn't when he's announced by the PA system because what if the power went out in the PA booth?
                        It is easier to see this exchange at an actual game rather than on TV because they don't usually show it.

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                          shuglife — 9 years ago(January 20, 2017 02:09 AM)

                          A batter can be in the on deck but not officially entered into the game until announced. So as he is approaching the plate he can still be no in the game yet. So when the runner is tagged out depends on if it was before or after the announcement.
                          But, honestly if a runner leaves the bag before the pitcher is on the rubber he deserves to be out. The hidden ball trick can only work if the pitcher does not touch the rubber. If he touches the rubber wothout the ball it is a balk. But if the runner leaves the bag before the pitcher is on the rubber he is being very careless.

                          Is this Idaho? Because I will not limbo in Idaho.

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                            tyler-92 — 9 years ago(January 20, 2017 12:18 PM)

                            Oh, I'm not defending the runner. They're taught over and over again not to leave the bag until they see the pitcher on the rubber or at the very least the ball in the pitcher's hand.

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                              justanicknamed — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 01:04 PM)

                              • Can a pinch hitter bat twice within 9 at bats ?
                                Do you mean can he go in and hit in the #8 spot and then bat in the #4 spot if it makes it that far in the inning? The answer is No.
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                                Do you mean can he go in and hit in the #8 spot and then hit there again if they bat around the order? The answer is Yes - but only the first time up counts as a pinch-hit. The next time up (and any time after that in the game) is just considered a regular at-bat.
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                                NobodymournstheWicked — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 06:10 PM)

                                As far as I can remember once you take a player out of a MLB baseball game, they are out for the rest of the game, you can't route players in an out of a game like you can in other sports. And I am not aware of any mangers ever trying to put a player back into the same game after they took them out. Like take for an example, the manger takes the starting pitcher out in the 5th inning, and then tries to get him back in later on?

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                                  HairyButtCheeks — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 06:12 PM)

                                  i remember terry collins using jose valverde TWICE in a game a couple of years ago. he must have put him in the outfield or something, but i am sure he used him twice. and that was his last game with the mets if i remember correctly

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                                    tyler-92 — 9 years ago(January 20, 2017 12:21 PM)

                                    Valverde wasn't used twice in his last game. He was taken out via a double switch, but he didn't stay in the game and he didn't come back into the game.

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                                      nutsberryfarm — 9 years ago(January 20, 2017 07:22 AM)

                                      -no
                                      -larry crowne
                                      -no
                                      Season's Greetings!

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                                        shuglife — 9 years ago(January 20, 2017 03:17 PM)

                                        I did see that exhibition games like All-Star has a caveat. A catcher can return to the game after being subbed out. But this is only in affect for exhibition games.
                                        Pre-NCAA baseball has different rules. Many high school districts/states allow a starter to re enter a game but if you did not start and are replaced you are done.

                                        Is this Idaho? Because I will not limbo in Idaho.

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                                          justanicknamed — 9 years ago(January 21, 2017 07:48 AM)

                                          I'd agree with the AS caveat, plus that being the ONLY time the DH is used.

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