Are seasons 7 and 8 any good?
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RynoII — 10 years ago(February 05, 2016 01:14 PM)
Personally I like Jack becoming more like Tony.
I think that in Season 7, Jack and Tony should have reversed roles, and have Jack become the villain for that season, and have the show end with him being put in jail and tortured by Renee Walker for interrogation, thereby putting dramatic irony into it.
I think it would have been a better ending than season 8, which is very too be continued.
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Boni-The-Sock — 10 years ago(February 05, 2016 09:41 PM)
Hm yeah, but there's a little difference between Jack's and Tony/Margot's dark side: he never risks innocent lives to carry on his vendetta. Be the revenge on the Drazens or the people who killed
Renee or Audrey
he's always alone, acting by himself, without risking anyone's life.
The only way that Jack would risk an innocent person's life would be to protect Kimberly. At that point, he's a big hypocritical (and that's great!), because at times, he demands characters to make sacrifices to save the world (like killing Paul Raines to save the other bad guy), including leaving loved ones behind, but when it comes to Kim, or Jack saves her alongside the world, or everyone dies. But since he's Jack Bauer, he always ends up saving everyone.
As for the Legacy idea, it would be interesting to turn Jack into a 'villain', but not too much, let's no transform him into
Tony Almeida
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I once told a man to go screw himself! Can you even imagine?! - Kilgrave -
Boni-The-Sock — 10 years ago(February 06, 2016 08:57 AM)
If you mean the Drazen family, it wasn't Jack's fault per se. The intel he had was wrong, he didn't know that Victor wasn't in the building in Kosovo, and that instead it was his wife and daughter there. I really doubt that Jack would kill them just for the lulz.
But yeah, I give you that he was out of control during Day 8, who knows what could have happened. But the thing is, it didn't happen, so Jack still has to kill - or at least try, like Tony - an innocent person on purpose to fulfill a selfish intention. He still is different from Tony or Margot.
I once told a man to go screw himself! Can you even imagine?! - Kilgrave -
warthogjump — 9 years ago(April 25, 2016 08:07 PM)
Perhaps the reason why Jack resents the terrorists so much is because, deep down, he feels he is closer to them than he would ever like to admit. Perhaps he feels that if he can stop enough of them, he will somehow absolve himself of whatever monster he himself also possesses.
Jack has actually alluded to this several times I believe, not to mention Jack is of course no 'hero.' I can't remember which season or who, but I think several times times characters have said to Jack 'you are no different [to the terrorists]'.
Jack is my 'hero' however, and the reason he is my hero is not because he is a 'hero' per se, but rather because he is the main reason I love 24 - due to his grey character. -
warthogjump — 9 years ago(April 25, 2016 08:00 PM)
I love that Jack became somewhat of a villain. That was the point. He had become like Tony, lost in his vengeance. Even further illustrated/hinted at in LAD. "I hate them." Throwing someone out a window without a second thought. Margot was a sort-of mirror of him (and Tony). Like Jack at the end of Day 8, she was putting everyone's lives at risk just to quench bloodlust-vengeance for the death of their loved ones.
I remember getting into it deeply with people on the LAD board during its airings. I was comparing Margot's actions to the United States and Jack Bauer. People were not happy with what I had to say. They thought I was defending terrorism but I was merely trying to illustrate how the people they called "the good guys" were no different. And that's the whole point of 24. The first season, Jack Bauer is the villain. Bad things are happening to him because he killed innocent women and children. He killed someone's family and now they are after him. That doesn't make what the "bad guys" are doing as right, but the point is that they are really not that different.
I really hope 24: Legacy is a trojan horse that gets us attached to some new characters and then brings in Tony to eventually side with them. Then, Jack Bauer returns and he makes up a story about getting out from under the Russians, but then the big twist is that he is working with the Russians ala Nina Myers. Continue to illustrate the grey area that 24 has always tried to get across. Jack has his reasons to do what he is doing. Are the Russians in the right and America wrong in this situation? And how "evil" will Jack be?
Imagine a season where the villain is Jack Bauer. You are on these people's side (the Legacy cast) and Jack Bauer is the baddest motherfu ker (ala Jason Voorhees) just slaughtering everyone. It would be like a horror show. How scary would it be to oppose a ruthless unstoppable Jack Bauer that is no longer "good"? That would make a great villain.
And I fear that TPTB fear it would be too much for simpletons to handle. Confused people might riot and say, "How dare they ruin my hero?" Those people miss the point.
But like I said, its grey. Jack Bauer and the Russians might be right in what they fight for in that situation.
It would be a reverse of Jack and Tony from Day 7. Bring in Chloe in the role of the viewer, the fan/friend of both, as she/we are in a tug-of-war of emotions between our two friends.
Fantastic read!
Honestly, if the show wanted to continue, this is the BEST possible scenario.
Jack as a villain which a new CTU is trying to stopnow at least that will be something 'new'!!! -
ajnb07 — 9 years ago(June 11, 2016 06:09 AM)
In responce to my original topic on the board.I've just finished Season 7.
It's pretty good, much better than 6 but not as good as 1 - 5 (Maybe as good as S3).
The new president (and her daughter) were kinda dull for me, I don't think anyone could beat David Palmer for that role though, and Wayne did not come close.
I took a quick look at the first episode of Season8 and was a bit annoyed that they did not pick up from where Season7 ended, beacuse Jack was in a coma and had to get a "risky" operation, you would think they would follow up on that? -
hubcap18 — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 03:22 PM)
I don't think he was in a coma, he was (temporarily) dead. The real-time aspect of the show makes picking up from that point a bad idea. You'd have to watch the surgery and the first several hours of Jack's recovery and then the season would end with Jack still hospitalized. Instead, it shows the surgery was a success and his recovery from that went well and is coming to an end so he can get back in action.
The sun is shining but the ice is slippery.
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Xyberfaust — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 06:04 AM)
I really really love Season 8.
I love that its your favorite.
It's my favorite of the later seasons, but I just can't put it past the phenomenal first few seasons.
Ranking them is silly anyway though.
it's a progressive story and its not meant to "be better" than anything.