Are seasons 7 and 8 any good?
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Boni-The-Sock — 10 years ago(February 06, 2016 08:57 AM)
If you mean the Drazen family, it wasn't Jack's fault per se. The intel he had was wrong, he didn't know that Victor wasn't in the building in Kosovo, and that instead it was his wife and daughter there. I really doubt that Jack would kill them just for the lulz.
But yeah, I give you that he was out of control during Day 8, who knows what could have happened. But the thing is, it didn't happen, so Jack still has to kill - or at least try, like Tony - an innocent person on purpose to fulfill a selfish intention. He still is different from Tony or Margot.
I once told a man to go screw himself! Can you even imagine?! - Kilgrave -
warthogjump — 9 years ago(April 25, 2016 08:07 PM)
Perhaps the reason why Jack resents the terrorists so much is because, deep down, he feels he is closer to them than he would ever like to admit. Perhaps he feels that if he can stop enough of them, he will somehow absolve himself of whatever monster he himself also possesses.
Jack has actually alluded to this several times I believe, not to mention Jack is of course no 'hero.' I can't remember which season or who, but I think several times times characters have said to Jack 'you are no different [to the terrorists]'.
Jack is my 'hero' however, and the reason he is my hero is not because he is a 'hero' per se, but rather because he is the main reason I love 24 - due to his grey character. -
warthogjump — 9 years ago(April 25, 2016 08:00 PM)
I love that Jack became somewhat of a villain. That was the point. He had become like Tony, lost in his vengeance. Even further illustrated/hinted at in LAD. "I hate them." Throwing someone out a window without a second thought. Margot was a sort-of mirror of him (and Tony). Like Jack at the end of Day 8, she was putting everyone's lives at risk just to quench bloodlust-vengeance for the death of their loved ones.
I remember getting into it deeply with people on the LAD board during its airings. I was comparing Margot's actions to the United States and Jack Bauer. People were not happy with what I had to say. They thought I was defending terrorism but I was merely trying to illustrate how the people they called "the good guys" were no different. And that's the whole point of 24. The first season, Jack Bauer is the villain. Bad things are happening to him because he killed innocent women and children. He killed someone's family and now they are after him. That doesn't make what the "bad guys" are doing as right, but the point is that they are really not that different.
I really hope 24: Legacy is a trojan horse that gets us attached to some new characters and then brings in Tony to eventually side with them. Then, Jack Bauer returns and he makes up a story about getting out from under the Russians, but then the big twist is that he is working with the Russians ala Nina Myers. Continue to illustrate the grey area that 24 has always tried to get across. Jack has his reasons to do what he is doing. Are the Russians in the right and America wrong in this situation? And how "evil" will Jack be?
Imagine a season where the villain is Jack Bauer. You are on these people's side (the Legacy cast) and Jack Bauer is the baddest motherfu ker (ala Jason Voorhees) just slaughtering everyone. It would be like a horror show. How scary would it be to oppose a ruthless unstoppable Jack Bauer that is no longer "good"? That would make a great villain.
And I fear that TPTB fear it would be too much for simpletons to handle. Confused people might riot and say, "How dare they ruin my hero?" Those people miss the point.
But like I said, its grey. Jack Bauer and the Russians might be right in what they fight for in that situation.
It would be a reverse of Jack and Tony from Day 7. Bring in Chloe in the role of the viewer, the fan/friend of both, as she/we are in a tug-of-war of emotions between our two friends.
Fantastic read!
Honestly, if the show wanted to continue, this is the BEST possible scenario.
Jack as a villain which a new CTU is trying to stopnow at least that will be something 'new'!!! -
ajnb07 — 9 years ago(June 11, 2016 06:09 AM)
In responce to my original topic on the board.I've just finished Season 7.
It's pretty good, much better than 6 but not as good as 1 - 5 (Maybe as good as S3).
The new president (and her daughter) were kinda dull for me, I don't think anyone could beat David Palmer for that role though, and Wayne did not come close.
I took a quick look at the first episode of Season8 and was a bit annoyed that they did not pick up from where Season7 ended, beacuse Jack was in a coma and had to get a "risky" operation, you would think they would follow up on that? -
hubcap18 — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 03:22 PM)
I don't think he was in a coma, he was (temporarily) dead. The real-time aspect of the show makes picking up from that point a bad idea. You'd have to watch the surgery and the first several hours of Jack's recovery and then the season would end with Jack still hospitalized. Instead, it shows the surgery was a success and his recovery from that went well and is coming to an end so he can get back in action.
The sun is shining but the ice is slippery.
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Xyberfaust — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 06:04 AM)
I really really love Season 8.
I love that its your favorite.
It's my favorite of the later seasons, but I just can't put it past the phenomenal first few seasons.
Ranking them is silly anyway though.
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jjpscott01 — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 04:11 PM)
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I think season 6 was for many people the low point of the series. It had an incredible start and an awesome finish but everything in between felt rushed or thought out poorly. Season 7 for whatever reason feels the most "different" from the others for me. It is also the most polarizing as the low points are some of the lowest and the best parts are some of the most brilliant. Overall though, its definitely better than season 6 but not quite on par with the rest. Season 8 in my opinion was awesome. It is actually my second favorite season for a few reasons. To me it seemed very cinematic, almost like it was done with a larger budget. Everything from the look and sound design to the cinematography and beautiful score by Sean Callery were on point this time around. The emotional scenes were gut wrenching and the place Jack ends up psychologically seemed both heartbreaking and fitting for a man who's going through everything he has over the years. The scene where hes "operating" on the gunmen gives me chills because Jack has so much pain in his eyes while hes doing this horrible thing. You can feel the hurt,anger,sadness,confusion, and betrayal in his voice when hes questioning the same man hes disemboweling. Keifer Sutherland honestly blew me away in his depiction of a severely broken man during the second half of season 8. Mr Freddie Prinze was a standout surprise this go round as agent ortiz and made me wish we got to see more of him throughout the series. To me Charles Logan is one of the greatest villains in TV history and he shines here once again. Overall though, the entire series in its worst moments still stands with the giants. Also, being kind of a tv nut overall, I can tell you no show compares in terms of reply value. 24 is almost more enjoyable the second time around and will remind you quickly why it was such a phenomenon for so long. -
JaraPT — 9 years ago(November 04, 2016 01:43 PM)
I am in the middle of season 7 and even though I agree about season 6 (it was difficult to follow a fantastic season 5), it was also incredibly psychologially damaging for Jack. So far, I split the show into 1-5, where he was, more or less, under CTU and was always surrounded by someone he could trust. Season 6 was the point where he finds out nobody cares - they brought him back from China only to get him killed, otherwise they would have left him there. He finds out the woman he loved went to look for him on her own, if I were him, I would send Wayne Palmer straight to hell when he called to apologize. The final scene between him and Heller was one of the best I saw on 24. I dont think he has ever been the same.
In season 7, he seems to be like a cold war relic, a dinosaur, a former agent who was trained the old ways, who has to live in the world where criminals have more rights than victims and he just is not able to cope. Yet, he remains loyal and does the necessary to stop the bad from happening. The fact that they even need to convince the president to pardon him, when every single person he caught in the past years, got a pardon, is ridiculous. If I were him, I would just leave and never return. He is a fascinating character.
I am curious where season 7 leads but so far, I have to say, I like it and maybe even more than seasons 1 or 3. Ill see
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JaraPT — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 08:56 AM)
I just finished the whole series (I binge watched the whole show in 2 weekswhat am I going to do with my life?
) and even though you probably already seen it, I am going to reply anyway.
I have to say, I loved most of it. Season 7 was very different but it sort of tied to season 8 in the way where Jack changed in S7, he accepted his "dark side" and those final episodes with him being all hurt and vulnerable were great. And in the end, when he caught Tony, Tony did exactly the same thing for Michellewith that exception Jack really only did hurt those responsible - but the reason and revenge path were the same. I always loved how Tony and Jack were similar, like two sides of one coin, with Tony going a bit more behind the line than he should have. It would interesting to see them meet againsadly both are in prisons - in opposite sideds of the world.
I loved the beginning of S8, where Jack got to be with his family (at least for a while) as a "cool grandpa" (I wonder if his grandchildren will ever know what was his job?). I did not care for the family drama of that president Hassan at first, but it got better in later episodes and from the moment Jack lost him in the tunnel when he decided to give himself up, it got great. The revenge angle and the whole killing spree Jack started, as the moral decline of president Taylor, were some of the best character moments of 24.
I would probably rate those seasons higher than, say, seasons 3 or 4, which were already a bit repetitive. Certainly higher than season 6, which was a horrible mess story-wise but had a great character arc for Jack (and honestly, I think with his release from the chinese prison, he was mentally never really back to his self as he was before.
So no, they are not horrible, they are good, really, really good.