Racist movie?
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psyclone72 — 14 years ago(October 24, 2011 12:11 AM)
This is kind of what I'm talking about, people going too far in the opposite direction. It's like a rubber band waiting to snap back again. My original point is, if we're going in any direction at all, I say look at how whites are portrayed here. I'm not a racist for putting a disc into a DVD player, I've figured that much out so far, but to say Fool is like Jesus Christ might be overdoing it a little, too.
Different people are going to see different things happening. What I saw in the first part of the film were people who could be any of us, regardless of skin colour. Rent comes first, before the life of your own mother, that could be any of us in that situation. All you need to be is poor and you can have green skin with purple polka dots for all anyone cares. Other people I was around chose to see these people actively looking for an excuse for some burglary, just itching for it, almost joyed to find an opportunity for it. Maybe it's somewhat true, because by the time those 3 arrive outside the house, the motive seems to be about how rich they could possibly get and the boy's mother becomes almost secondary by that point. Different people are going to read into this in a different way, some are never going to even try to empathise with these characters, and will cheer for "Daddy" as he protects his home.
The real problem is less obvious than all of this but I regret bringing it up now because it's really way too complex. People's mentalities these days seem to be like a band-aid over the surface and trying desperately to sweep the loose ends back under the rug before any of the tourists see what is really going on. It's to the point where certain people can't even just be in a certain situation, otherwise I'm the racist one for pressing the play button on the machine for the story to be told. They say "look at how those blacks are portrayed" and not even face the honesty and situation, for the story to be told, whatever direction it will take. The tokenism and overcompensations on the surface do nothing but make things more difficult to resolve, because the finger can always conveniently be pointed to the tokens we have in place and conveniently disregard the vast majority of others swept clean under the rug. -
Kevin_90 — 14 years ago(November 25, 2011 05:08 PM)
OP please shut the hell up. I am so sick of this crap.
If the film has no black people in it, the movie is racist!
If the film portrays a poor black person, the movie is racist!
If the film has a black man/women for the villein, the movie is racist!
If the movie contains a black person using slang, the movie is racist!
If the movie contains a black individual who is dumb or uneducated, the movie is racist!
If a black person dies first in a horror movie, the movie is racist!
If any of the above mentioned characters are white, nobody thinks anything of it.
This is the mentality of our oversensitive "politically correct" society. It's a f'ing joke! You know what? You're f'ing racist for thinking this way you self-righteous sissy. The world would be a better place without bleeding heart liberal pansies like yourself. -
psyclone72 — 14 years ago(February 16, 2012 12:49 PM)
This is the mentality of our oversensitive "politically correct" society. It's a f'ing joke! You know what? You're f'ing racist for thinking this way you self-righteous sissy. The world would be a better place without bleeding heart liberal pansies like yourself.
@Kevin_90: You should read my original post again, I actually agree with you. The film is not racist at all with the characters it portrays, it's tokenism and overcompensation to say that it is and it's not healthy, even if the roles were reversed. It actually makes a lot of important issues really difficult to deal with. I make the argument that even if I put on a film about neo-Nazis or the KKK, it wouldn't make ME a racist to sit and watch it objectively and learn something from it about what some people out there still believe. It's stuff that anyone should know to look out for, especially if it's geographically relevant to them.
I hope people can understand my point and not misinterpret what I'm on about. I guess I've used this as an excuse to make an example about White Australia, I get called a racist for putting on a film like this when honky is all you see on commercial TV. I guess I felt compelled to bring it up. -
jbaker1-2 — 1 year ago(November 21, 2024 02:02 AM)
The world would
certainly
be a better place without knuckle-dragging right-wing imbeciles such as yourself.
There are 8.2 billion people in the world. 8.19 billion of them have never heard of and don't give a fuck about Charlie Kirk. Get over it. -
MsGAPeach — 14 years ago(February 16, 2012 11:59 AM)
Which would you rather have in this movie? The way it is with the black community being poor but good at heart and crazy white people like in the movie or the opposite, a poor white (good hearted)community with crazy black people?
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avia2 — 13 years ago(April 12, 2012 09:59 AM)
Portraying blacks as poor is not racist portraying them as poor and evil
is
racist.
In this film, there's a clear reason why the black men break into the house. They're not sadistic, just desperate.
So for this reason, it's not racist to blacks. Indeed, it's probably more racist to middle-class white people. -
Isnam777 — 13 years ago(June 05, 2012 08:55 AM)
People are forgetting Spencer, the white thug. Anyway, Wes Craven was using satire in this film, which often uses stereotypes to get its point across. Sort of a broad social commentary. I don't think this film is to be taken TOO seriously, but like the first response on this thread said, it portrays the majority of the poor people black while the only wealthy (and therefore corrupted) people are white and money-grubbing with no regard for the poor.
Peace is not the absence of affliction, but the presence of God. ~Author Unknown -
sabrelore — 13 years ago(November 01, 2012 01:13 AM)
I think that writing the movie off as racist doesn't do that movie any justice. While there were racial issues woven into the story I saw it as less of a racial movie and more of a hero's journey. The boy begins his journey desperate to help his family and be the "man of the house" as his mother asked him to be. But what options does a young teen really have? Even the decision to steal was couched as more of a Robin Hood mentality steal from the rich who have gotten rich of the backs of the poor.
He meets unusual companions along the way and saves the girl. I don't mean to be too heavy-handed with the information supplied in the movie, but as his sister said about the Tarot card in the beginning, Fool walked through the sun to burn away all parts of himself that were a boy so that he could emerge a man.
Never tell a Chechnyan his sister has a nice smile.~Eliot -
squodge — 12 years ago(August 03, 2013 03:48 PM)
Why does it always have to be about blacks or whites? What about Oriental people?
I asked friends what they think of when you mention Oriental actors, and they all say the same thing - martial arts, kung fu, karate.
So really, these stereotypes won't ever stop existing. People should suck up and put up - it's not racist. It's just how people see 'others' that they don't understand. -
messatzzia — 12 years ago(September 12, 2013 06:11 PM)
This movie is about the individuals in it. The character traits the characters have are exclusive to themselves in the context of this film. If you, or anyone else wishes to see racial generalizations.. then you will.
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psyclone72 — 12 years ago(September 12, 2013 06:26 PM)
Congratulations on posting in a thread after reading its title, but next time you should give a try to actually reading the content, which will involve your brain as well as simply your eyeballs. This will give you things like "insight", "perspective" and "context".
I can try to boil it down for you. I get called a "racist" for pressing the play button on a DVD player and saying "I remember this film being pretty good", when actually it's people who are quick to sling the 'R' word around that are typically the ones who have something to hide, history to be ashamed of and are overcompensating for it, and this overcompensation is actually a form of racism in itself. How do you find yourself fitting into this category now?
I know, it's not that simple, is it. Give it a little more than 30 seconds to let it sink in -
TonyC4444 — 12 years ago(September 13, 2013 09:37 PM)
I thought it was stereotyped on purpose. It took a white couple and made them inbred racist money grubbing people, and then of course your friends are right about black people being sterotyped as poor and breaking into places. This movie likes to pit one extreme against another in MANY fashions. This being one.
Other examples are
rich (landlords, nice house, lots of property, ripping off poor people) vs poor (ghetto, pure motives, salt of the earth).
Pure Evil (mom, dad, pay particular attention to their clothing) vs Pure Good (Alice, fool, in particular Alice's appearance).
There's even an extreme between human being and sub humans pitting just about everyone at one point or another against the people under the stairs who were subhuman.
It's just a movie of extremes. Tell your friends that the white guy died first in this movie, maybe that will calm them down lol. -
mickeyesbbeck — 12 years ago(September 23, 2013 09:40 AM)
I'm white and live around white rich people. Hate it. Also a black racist horror is Candyman. Marks can love it all they want, but it was bad. The second was the best. Exploring his past and the family he gave birth to. All of it makes me sick. Why not have a horror where you have Latin, White, Black, Euro, Asian, and so on together. And make it with good actors and an original not a remake. Is that to much to ask?