Racist movie?
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psyclone72 — 14 years ago(February 16, 2012 12:49 PM)
This is the mentality of our oversensitive "politically correct" society. It's a f'ing joke! You know what? You're f'ing racist for thinking this way you self-righteous sissy. The world would be a better place without bleeding heart liberal pansies like yourself.
@Kevin_90: You should read my original post again, I actually agree with you. The film is not racist at all with the characters it portrays, it's tokenism and overcompensation to say that it is and it's not healthy, even if the roles were reversed. It actually makes a lot of important issues really difficult to deal with. I make the argument that even if I put on a film about neo-Nazis or the KKK, it wouldn't make ME a racist to sit and watch it objectively and learn something from it about what some people out there still believe. It's stuff that anyone should know to look out for, especially if it's geographically relevant to them.
I hope people can understand my point and not misinterpret what I'm on about. I guess I've used this as an excuse to make an example about White Australia, I get called a racist for putting on a film like this when honky is all you see on commercial TV. I guess I felt compelled to bring it up. -
jbaker1-2 — 1 year ago(November 21, 2024 02:02 AM)
The world would
certainly
be a better place without knuckle-dragging right-wing imbeciles such as yourself.
There are 8.2 billion people in the world. 8.19 billion of them have never heard of and don't give a fuck about Charlie Kirk. Get over it. -
MsGAPeach — 14 years ago(February 16, 2012 11:59 AM)
Which would you rather have in this movie? The way it is with the black community being poor but good at heart and crazy white people like in the movie or the opposite, a poor white (good hearted)community with crazy black people?
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avia2 — 13 years ago(April 12, 2012 09:59 AM)
Portraying blacks as poor is not racist portraying them as poor and evil
is
racist.
In this film, there's a clear reason why the black men break into the house. They're not sadistic, just desperate.
So for this reason, it's not racist to blacks. Indeed, it's probably more racist to middle-class white people. -
Isnam777 — 13 years ago(June 05, 2012 08:55 AM)
People are forgetting Spencer, the white thug. Anyway, Wes Craven was using satire in this film, which often uses stereotypes to get its point across. Sort of a broad social commentary. I don't think this film is to be taken TOO seriously, but like the first response on this thread said, it portrays the majority of the poor people black while the only wealthy (and therefore corrupted) people are white and money-grubbing with no regard for the poor.
Peace is not the absence of affliction, but the presence of God. ~Author Unknown -
sabrelore — 13 years ago(November 01, 2012 01:13 AM)
I think that writing the movie off as racist doesn't do that movie any justice. While there were racial issues woven into the story I saw it as less of a racial movie and more of a hero's journey. The boy begins his journey desperate to help his family and be the "man of the house" as his mother asked him to be. But what options does a young teen really have? Even the decision to steal was couched as more of a Robin Hood mentality steal from the rich who have gotten rich of the backs of the poor.
He meets unusual companions along the way and saves the girl. I don't mean to be too heavy-handed with the information supplied in the movie, but as his sister said about the Tarot card in the beginning, Fool walked through the sun to burn away all parts of himself that were a boy so that he could emerge a man.
Never tell a Chechnyan his sister has a nice smile.~Eliot -
squodge — 12 years ago(August 03, 2013 03:48 PM)
Why does it always have to be about blacks or whites? What about Oriental people?
I asked friends what they think of when you mention Oriental actors, and they all say the same thing - martial arts, kung fu, karate.
So really, these stereotypes won't ever stop existing. People should suck up and put up - it's not racist. It's just how people see 'others' that they don't understand. -
messatzzia — 12 years ago(September 12, 2013 06:11 PM)
This movie is about the individuals in it. The character traits the characters have are exclusive to themselves in the context of this film. If you, or anyone else wishes to see racial generalizations.. then you will.
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psyclone72 — 12 years ago(September 12, 2013 06:26 PM)
Congratulations on posting in a thread after reading its title, but next time you should give a try to actually reading the content, which will involve your brain as well as simply your eyeballs. This will give you things like "insight", "perspective" and "context".
I can try to boil it down for you. I get called a "racist" for pressing the play button on a DVD player and saying "I remember this film being pretty good", when actually it's people who are quick to sling the 'R' word around that are typically the ones who have something to hide, history to be ashamed of and are overcompensating for it, and this overcompensation is actually a form of racism in itself. How do you find yourself fitting into this category now?
I know, it's not that simple, is it. Give it a little more than 30 seconds to let it sink in -
TonyC4444 — 12 years ago(September 13, 2013 09:37 PM)
I thought it was stereotyped on purpose. It took a white couple and made them inbred racist money grubbing people, and then of course your friends are right about black people being sterotyped as poor and breaking into places. This movie likes to pit one extreme against another in MANY fashions. This being one.
Other examples are
rich (landlords, nice house, lots of property, ripping off poor people) vs poor (ghetto, pure motives, salt of the earth).
Pure Evil (mom, dad, pay particular attention to their clothing) vs Pure Good (Alice, fool, in particular Alice's appearance).
There's even an extreme between human being and sub humans pitting just about everyone at one point or another against the people under the stairs who were subhuman.
It's just a movie of extremes. Tell your friends that the white guy died first in this movie, maybe that will calm them down lol. -
mickeyesbbeck — 12 years ago(September 23, 2013 09:40 AM)
I'm white and live around white rich people. Hate it. Also a black racist horror is Candyman. Marks can love it all they want, but it was bad. The second was the best. Exploring his past and the family he gave birth to. All of it makes me sick. Why not have a horror where you have Latin, White, Black, Euro, Asian, and so on together. And make it with good actors and an original not a remake. Is that to much to ask?
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psyclone72 — 10 years ago(June 23, 2015 08:25 PM)
Hi Leanne, thanks for bumping my thread!
The "N word", as you call it, is not racist itself, it has everything to do with context. Anyone can say it, so long as they understand all of the implications of it. I say this word very often when I refer to (am paraphrasing) how white people perceive black people. There is no other option in such cases. Plenty of racism in 2015 to go around, unfortunately. It's not going away anytime soon. I've said it to the face of several "people of African decent" and they have understood perfectly what I mean and have respected me for it. I would even say it now because I hate to say this "the N word", it's really pathetic, but I think the IMDB goblins would not allow it, no matter the context. That's the only reason I wouldn't type it here. I have a more cautious attitude typing it into some internet forum than I would saying it in the outskirts of Washington DC or Atlanta, because I understand fully it's about context. It's about "white guilt", when we as honkies say "the N word" it's as if saying "I want to say nr, but I'm scared you'll bash my head in" - this is "white guilt", and it's really stupid and it's very condescending and patronising to "people of African decent" = black people. See, we are even scared to say "black people", we always get dizzy with this "African-American" PC-talk. I always feel annoyed when I hear these CNN-honkies saying "African-American, African-American", it sounds so unnatural and awkward. Just go ahead and say "black", it's one syllable, it's easy to say, just go ahead and say it. Just be careful how you say it, that's all, check your trembles. Again, it's all about context. Say "black", go for it, but just make sure your context is in order. Black is beautiful, it's true, and I'm not just saying that out of "white guilt", I fully feel that way so I have absolutely no tremble in my voice or insecurity about saying "black" or even "the N word", because I'm not about to condescend or patronise my fellow human being, no matter who or what they are. With my trembles in check, I find I rarely get myself into trouble.
This is turning into a rant, sorry, I just have such a mood right now. Just be thankful, for everything we've had as a "race", us honkies, accept there's no such thing as "reverse racism", that in itself is a really backward mentality. Just be cool and relax and put a smile on your face, push your personal troubles aside and try to think more "universally", and you'll find other people will respect you more for it. Somehow mystically. We've had it good, to say the least. To say "we've had it good" is a brutal understatement, so as a white person we should step back, have a good look at our lives and ancestry and say "you know what, I've had it so beep good, more than anyone else on this planet", be cool, relax, and then very comfortably say "I'm white, you're black, let's stick to one syllable and make it easy on ourselves". When I say "black", put me under the microscope and see if you can detect any resentment or superiority there. I challenge you.
We should not condescend and patronise other human beings to think that a mere word can get us into trouble and cause offense, we should be aware that EVERYONE understands context, background, paraphrasing and attitude. Words don't matter, words mean nothing, context means EVERYTHING. I would say, in many cases, saying "African-American" when you mean to say "black", or saying "the N word" (literally saying that) is more offensive that just outright saying nr, if that's what you really mean. Don't get caught up shuffling and juggling words because nobody is stupid enough that they won't see through it. Just say what you mean, how you mean it, and people will understand your "context". Really. Just say it, if that's what you really mean, and let fate be the judge of your outcome.
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