Heretic is definitely disturbing
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P.Error — 1 year ago(April 02, 2025 12:34 AM)
Bro, Sister Paxton early on said she always wanted to come back as a butterfly when she dies.
When she escaped the Pedo’s house, the scenery changes. Creepy leaking basement to the green vastness of nature. A sunlight sky. A butterfly lands on her arm.
Just who don’t you think that butterfly is?
And was the “resurrection” at just the right time a miracle or just adrenaline?
The film deconstructs religion, but then at the end reinforces why people have faith.
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Steve Lake — 1 year ago(April 02, 2025 09:30 AM)
You have redeemed yourself with this post. The ending makes it quite clear what is being implied. That Butterfly isn't just an " Easter Egg"
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preachcaleb — 1 year ago(April 01, 2025 04:48 PM)
I agree. I really enjoyed it. Grant's performance was captivating and chilling, and the two girls were very sympathetic. You really do feel and fear for them when things take a turn for the worse.
I'd heard it was going to be a kind of Escape Room vibe; I'm glad to see that was incorrect. It is much more philosophical and intellectual than that.
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Steve Lake — 1 year ago(April 02, 2025 12:32 AM)
Correct. They the producers of the film make you think the first hour that he is a Satanist. He's not.
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bigo_mega — 1 year ago(April 02, 2025 06:28 AM)
That's the same vibe I got from him. Never anything to suggest Satanist. In a very abstract way through an Abrahamic lens, it could be argued that he is a Satanist, but the film never suggests that itself.
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bigo_mega — 1 year ago(April 02, 2025 08:25 AM)
It's pretty subjective at that point. I think that was intentionally very vague so that the audience would speculate, but I don't think they were necessarily attempting to mislead anyone's ideas. In the end his "true religion" is still atheistic and he is just a psychopath. It is weird though for him to have been so well studied, so much so that he has a library of religious books and in his deepest chambers uses very esoteric imagery like sigils etc, yet he makes mistakes (or maybe there were intentional lies) about the religions he has supposedly studied.
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Steve Lake — 1 year ago(April 02, 2025 09:26 AM)
You had it right in your other posts. Intentional lies.
Nothing could or would deter him. His mind was made up. It was others whose minds he was attempting to change. So if he had to lie or tell half truths or in some cases completely omit( The Person in the basement, he would do just that.
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bigo_mega — 1 year ago(April 02, 2025 09:36 AM)
Yeah, I do think this is what was likely going on. He was testing their faith the whole time, gradually upping the intensity. His goal always being to break their faith and then them.
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Steve Lake — 1 year ago(April 02, 2025 09:24 AM)
An Abrahamic lens is not only the way to see this film or any other horror film through, but also how I go through life.
It's implied or suggested by his sinister nature. His utter orgasmic delight in both seeing cracks in their faith as well as the Fear in their faces.
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bigo_mega — 1 year ago(April 02, 2025 09:35 AM)
That's true, but the sort of abstract way of concluding that he is a Satanist would come through an Abrahamic perspective, for example through a Christian lens one would view someone like Mr Reed as a Satanist in that all his evil deeds are Satanic/Demonic in nature…more simply from a Christian perspective all things outside of Godliness are wordly/sinful/evil from the mundane (lying, petty stealing, lustful thoughts) to the heinous (murder, rape, etc). Man fights against his own worldliness/sinful nature to become righteous and be made holy. Without that lens I'd say there is nothing to really illustrate he is Satanic, instead he is just an athiest religious scholar & dangerous psychopath. His character in the movie I'm sure would not label himself a Satanist.
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Steve Lake — 1 year ago(April 02, 2025 09:46 AM)
Well I did state why I originally thought he was a Satanist. If you see one of my other posts I also clearly state he was not a Satanist.
I'm simply admitting that it is my Christian Worldview that accounts for my initial deduction. The Film in my opinion should be watched for this reason.
It challenges you to take a microscope to your own beliefs. While at the same time keeps you in a constant state of foreboding and utter dread.
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bigo_mega — 1 year ago(April 02, 2025 09:52 AM)
I see. Yes, I agree about it challenging you. I'm not mormon, but I found myself arguing back at Mr. Reeds claims, partly because I knew many were just untrue, and partly because there are obviously some mormon beliefs which overlap with Christianity (I do not consider them to be the same faith, which I'm sure is controversial to mormons, but this is the view of most Christians).
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Steve Lake — 1 year ago(April 02, 2025 10:00 AM)
Correct. As a Christian I or many like me give not an ounce of credence to Mr. Smith in either of his writings. And I too was arguing or in some cases yelling at the screen.
Particularly when he claims the whole all religions have a Virgin birth . The Film had a profound effect on me.
It didn't help that I watched it alone in my living room with all the lights out. From like 2:00 am to it's conclusion.
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