What's your head canon?
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WarrenPeace — 4 years ago(November 04, 2021 06:45 PM)
This seems to be the new trend in franchise movies where it never was before.
They always followed a timeline.
Now they make new ones that do not follow along with anything and it creates this clusterfuck of confusion of what is supposed to be the right ones or not.
Alien and Terminator do this.
I guess the only thing that matters or what they care about is having action with violence to deliver to satisfy the audience and don't give a damn at all if this fictitious world crumbles in a heap of confusion and bullshit.
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conanyouredevilish — 3 years ago(June 25, 2022 08:49 AM)
Alien and Terminator do this.
If anything the Friday the 13th franchise was the first to start this moronic trend when they decided to just do what the comics did and just ignore all the previous movies and write the film in question as some sort of alternate one shot story. This began with Jason Goes to Hell as that's when the franchise just threw continuity out of the window. Then they did it again in Jason X, did a weird sequel but historic retcon in Freddy vs Jason, etc.
Then the X-men really made it mainstream to make continuity as confusing as possible.
Then it was around Rocky Balboa, Rambo and Fast and Furious (4th movie) when Hollywood decided to make titles confusing too.
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WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(June 25, 2022 07:48 PM)
Yeah, just make up new story lines and ideas that make no sense and that are not canon.
Jason in space?
Um… OK.. Whatevers.
"Then the X-men really made it mainstream to make continuity as confusing as possible."
Yeah, I don't get it how they kill off Prof. X in one movie and bring him back in the next.
You don't have to explain it if you know because I lose interest in it at that point.
And they kill off Raven/Mystique?
WTF?
They need to learn to quit when behind.
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conanyouredevilish — 3 years ago(June 25, 2022 10:24 PM)
What's both hilarious and sad is that the Deadpool movies, the parody character's films, have a more solid grasp on continuity and even help give a explanation why some films are non canon anymore like when Deadpool went back in time to erase the events of Wolverine Origins to get rid of Barakapool.
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conanyouredevilish — 3 years ago(June 25, 2022 10:38 PM)
Yeah, just make up new story lines and ideas that make no sense and that are not canon.
Jason in space?
Um… OK.. Whatevers.
Ugh it was worse than that as everything after Ft13 part 8 was the poster child of the comics in the "we don't care about continuity and the previous films" category.
Jason Goes to Hell -
What Jason's dead in the sewers of NYC? Screw that! He's magically back alive in camp crystal lake again mysteriously, and he'll inherit a new heart worm power that never remotely existed in the previous movies. While we're rewriting his backstory, we'll further rewrite more of his backstory by giving him a completely new family tree that was never mentioned at all, as it always came off as Jason and his mom as the only Vorhees family members, to bring even more stupidity to the franchise.
Jason X -
What happened in the previous movies? Yeah I don't care. Jason is magically alive again and this time we're putting him in space because… well Leprechaun went into space, so we can do it too!
Freddy vs Jason -
Well Jason Goes to Hell teased Freddy Kruger so I'm going to make it happen. Wait what is this about new Jason origins and powers? Yeah I don't care as I didn't actually watched Jason Goes to Hell nor even want to know now, I grew up with vague memories of the original films, so I'm just going to use them instead. -
WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(June 26, 2022 12:48 AM)
Not that I am a fan of FT13 or any horror movies, really.
I find myself watching them out of a morbid curiosity and, like you, also prefer continuity etc even though it is a fictitious world.
Wasn't there a Friday where FBI agents entrap using, as always, a good looking bimbo as bait then shoot him to death and a black coroner for some dumb reason takes a bite out of his heart then HE becomes Jason?
I think I may have stopped watching at that point because that got really dumb.
I dunno what happened after that but there should only one Jason and that is the original kid that drowned.
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conanyouredevilish — 3 years ago(June 26, 2022 01:48 AM)
Not that I am a fan of FT13 or any horror movies, really.
I find myself watching them out of a morbid curiosity and, like you, also prefer continuity etc even though it is a fictitious world.
Same here. I only watched those terrible movies both because I was encountering numerous annoying Jason fanboys who thought bad filmmaking is evidence of superpowers and because back when Spike TV use to exist, they would do marathons of the Ft13 films.
Yes there's quite a population of annoying Jason fanboys out there who legit thinks bad filmmaking and massive internet myths/misconceptions equate superpowers. I'm sure everyone and their mom is familiar with the laughable slasher trope of the killer who's moving at a snails pace magically catching up to victims who are running around the place as a obvious sign of bad filmmaking. Not Jason fanboys however who thinks it's evidence of Jason having teleportation powers! They also think he has a healing factor because "dah, Jason keeps on coming back alive, therefore he must have Wolverine style healing factor!" Um no. The Ft13 films all the way to part 8 actually shows or explains quite blatantly how Jason survives or comes back alive, and none of it has anything to do with a supposed healing factor. That's just a massive misconception from idiots who either never actually watched the movies, have a bad memory of them or blatantly blind fanboys. Actually the films show the complete opposite of a healing factor because when Jason came back in part 6, his face and body would progressively deteriorate after each film to looking more skeletal and rotting.
I guess we should be lucky there was never a Jason film so bad that the sound goes out of sync or the image starts breaking up. Otherwise Jason fanboys would claim that's evidence Jason has reality manipulation powers!
Wasn't there a Friday where FBI agents entrap using, as always, a good looking bimbo as bait then shoot him to death and a black coroner for some dumb reason takes a bite out of his heart then HE becomes Jason?
I think I may have stopped watching at that point because that got really dumb.
I dunno what happened after that but there should only one Jason and that is the original kid that drowned.
That was Jason Goes to Hell, the one that came after part 8/Jason takes Manhattan, and you were right to stop watching after that idiocy because that was when the franchise took a page from the comics and just went "dah, screw continuity. I'm just going to make up whatever the hell I want and not even care what happened in the previous movies".
It actually gets more stupid after that point if you can believe it. The film completely rewrite's Jason's entire family tree because now Jason has sisters and nieces and other relatives that were never hinted to have existed until that film then proceed not to exist again in the later films. The real stupid part was that the film established if Jason's body gets destroyed, he can get it back if his stupid heart worm thingy that never existed before jumps up the vagina of a Vorhees woman then it would magically transforms back into Jason's body complete with the hockey mask. The film does more stupid changes by trying to claim no one besides another Vorhees can kill Jason despite he's been killed a bunch of times in the previous films and there was no other Vorhees family members in them beside Jason and his dead mom. Needlessly to say the annoying Jason fanboys I've encountered tried to do more fanwanking of Jason to make the claim that no one can kill Jason beside other members of his family despite me pointing out Jason's lifeless body been at the bottom of a lake for over 10 years in more than one occasion. Guess Jason just likes chilling at the bottom of lakes for many years and just coincidentally got back up when electricity hit his body or when a psychic girl mistaken Jason for her dad. -
WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(June 26, 2022 07:46 AM)
Yeah, it gets out of control and ridiculous with the more movies they make and the more they move away from the origins.
It drives me kinda nuts when they do that with Superman's background they would change all the time in comic books.
All of a sudden there is a "Supergirl," and I think he may have had super animals like a horse, cat and dog that could fly.
They also add in that he knew Lex Luthor when they were kids and Lex wants revenge because Supes made him go bald with a bad chemical reaction.
Really? That is why Lex is an enemy of Supes and not because Supes always foils his plans for worldwide domination?
It just goes from there and gets more and more nuts when they add in newer story lines that don't make sense and goes farther away as they keep on manipulating the origins.
Another thing I noticed about the Jason, Freddy and Mike monster horror movies is that they are always going after young boys and girls from their late teens into their early 20s.
Sure, they might slaughter a middle aged or elderly person here or there but if they really want to take out the most targets at once why not just go into a rest home?
Easy pickens to get the most revenge for them in a place like that!
How is it that young good looking kids in shape are always their targets?
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P.Error — 4 years ago(October 31, 2021 04:07 AM)
H20 was pretty much what Halloween 2018 is now - creating a new part 2 and timeline.
People say this now, but I don't see it this way. People conceptualized this idea decades after the movie. It was never official.
Nurse Marion says she took care of Dr. Loomis until his death. If H20 ignores 4-6, then they would have gone with Loomis's dying in Halloween II. They didn't because we know Loomis is alive in 4-6.
Laurie Strode died in a car accident in Halloween 4. In H20, we see the article that Laurie Strode faked her death in a car accident. Obviously this is the car accident we hear about in Part 4.
H20 doesn't retcon from II. It just doesn't mention the events of 4-6 nor Jamie but that doesn't mean they didn't happen.
Aside from the dated 90s feel,
I hated the visuals of H20. It looks like Dawson's Creek with Michael Myers. The movie poster looks like I Know What You Did Last Summer. I get Urban Legends vibes too. You are right, total 90s look; it has that generic 90s teen glow cinematography lol, like a CW series.
I hated Kills, but am willing to wait for the next one to to see if this version
What was the point of ignoring all the sequels if they're right back to square one: making Michael a superhuman force again and adding comic relief which doesn't fit in with a Halloween movie? If they're going to redo Halloween II, they have a burden to be that much better than it. Kills was fun, but it was no different take than any sequel prior.
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Blue Wave — 4 years ago(October 31, 2021 08:30 PM)
I tend to agree with the one big timeline. I think it is possible to tie all the first 8 films together into one big narrative for many of the reasons you mention above because fear of what would happen if she went back in 1988 would be a motivating force for Laurie there.
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kuatorises — 4 years ago(November 04, 2021 12:08 PM)
I meant that H20 was ignoring 4-6, not a new part 2. H20 mentions they are brother and sister, which obviously means it's including part 2. I misspoke. I do absolutely think H20
Wait, why can Loomis survive in part 4's continuity, but not H20s? If 4 said he survived the explosion, there's no reason he can't survive between 2 and H20.
I'm not back at square one, I have many continuities to enjoy as a Halloween fan.
Halloween, 2, 4.
Halloween, 2, H20.
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P.Error — 4 years ago(November 06, 2021 01:24 AM)
Wait, why can Loomis survive in part 4's continuity, but not H20s?
Well here's the thing:
Part II was meant to kill off Michael and Loomis for good. Their deaths were not left open-ended. Part II was originally meant to be the last Myers movie.
Part IV comes. The studio wants to bring back Michael and Loomis. But they died? Oh well no problem - just write that they survived the explosion.
H20: The actor who played Loomis had already passed away in real life at this point. So it was impossible for him to reprise his role. Thus, if H20 continues directly from Halloween II like a lot of people say, and I argue it doesn't, there would be no real reason to say Loomis survived that explosion if that character cannot return anyway.
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