OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born?
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 03:46 AM)
If value is a myth, you would already have shuffled off this mortal coil, because there would not be a reason left to live.
But for some reason you still value life enough to not end it.
Meaning that value is not a myth.
The rest of those things follow automatically.
That's the reason why nihilism will always be wrong. Everyone that ends his/her life, ends the existence that they didn't value. Meaning that all that's left in the world, is people who value their existence.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur. -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:12 AM)
If value is a myth, you would already have shuffled off this mortal coil, because there would not be a reason left to live.
Explain your reasoning there. "Value" is a myth, it has nothing to do with me indulging my instinct to survive and stick around.
But for some reason you still value life enough to not end it.
We don't "value". That's a trick of language, not reality.
EDIT: We
care
about things but that does not turn "value" non-fictional.
That's the reason why nihilism will always be wrong.
I don't care about nihilism. Life is not
meaning
less hence nihilism is false.
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:47 AM)
It means you have a value for your existence that is higher than zero.
No, like I said, caring does not turn "value" non-fictional. Caring is just caring.
EDIT: In nature (or biology, I guess?) organisms without self-preservation instincts go extinct. Not going extinct does not turn "value" non-fictional.
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 05:17 AM)
And that's the trick of language. Caring is real, "value" is not. "Valuing" thereby becomes fuzzy.
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 05:49 AM)
You have it backwards. Organisms have instincts. They have no "value".
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 06:33 AM)
Of course they do.
Your argument is that value doesn't exist without the definition, but the biological functions that inform the word exist whether there is a definition or not.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur. -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 06:42 AM)
Your argument is that value doesn't exist without the definition
No, that is not my argument.
but the biological functions that inform the word exist whether there is a definition or not.
sigh Instinct exists. Emotions exist. Caring exists. "Value" does not exist. "Valuing" is a trick of language.
It doesn't matter how much you care about your survival. Your survival has no "value".
That you are "valuing" your survival is just an idea in your head because of language.
EDIT: It's the idea that caring
creates
"value". It
doesn't
. You can care more about gold than about your life. You can care more about your life than about gold. It doesn't change the "value" of gold or of your life because they
have none
.
Also, this
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:28 AM)
"Valuing" is a trick of language.
No, "valuing" is a definition of a process. A process that exists whether there is a word for it or not.
Humanity has defined "dawn" and "dusk"; do the processes end if we remove the words?
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur. -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 08:26 AM)
No, "valuing" is a definition of a process. A process that exists whether there is a word for it or not.
The process of caring exists whether there is a word for it or not but the process of "valuing" implies not just caring about something but also affecting the "value" of what you care about which is entirely imaginary.
You can care about gold and jewels all you want and call your caring "unicorning" but your caring does not affect the gold's or jewels' amount of unicorn.
Humanity has defined "dawn" and "dusk"; do the processes end if we remove the words?
Those are not processes. Me moving around you and you calling it "you moving from the left of me to the right of me" does not make "right" and "left" processes.
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 09:47 AM)
I repeat, my moving around you is a process but "left" and "right" are not. Dusk and dawn are not processes anymore than noon and midnight are.
Also, this
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 09:54 AM)
Dusk and dawn are not processes anymore than noon and midnight are.
Noon and midnight are two exactly set moments in time. Dusk and dawn are not.
They are the process of the sun disappearing under and reappearing over the horizon, respectively.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur. -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 10:18 AM)
Either dusk and dawn are moments as well or noon is the process of the sun passing right over you and midnight the process of it passing right under you.
Also, this
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 11:20 AM)
So the Earth speeds up and slows down so your idea of things can be correct. That's handy.
The Earth rotates. We've given times of day "names". There's no different processes going on. You've lost. Deal with it.
Also, this
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 11:22 AM)
Nope.
Midnight is one set moment. Noon is one set moment. Dusk and dawn are longer periods of time - it's the process of "moving up" or "moving down". The concepts are far older than the realization that it's the Earth rotating.
It's the truth. Deal with it.
For someone as stuck on dime-store philosophy as you are, you're sure not up on abstract notions.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur. -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 11:43 AM)
I repeat, it's nice that the Earth and Sun slow to a screeching halt at noon and midnight for you to have a point.
Afternoon is not a process. Nor is noon, dusk, dawn or midnight. They're names we gave to indicates times of day. Day is not a process either or one set moment, it is a name we gave a time, the same length of time
as
the Earth rotating once (which is a process).
EDIT: So to sum up:
Me walking around you? Process.
"Left" and "right"?
Not
process.
Earth rotating? Process.
"Dusk"?
Not
process.
"Midnight"?
Not
process.
"Dawn"?
Not
process.
"Noon"?
Not
process?
"Afternoon"?
Not
process.
One "day" aka 24 "hours"?
Not
process.
Also, this
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http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706