Who's stronger Spider-Man or Luke cage?
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bluejaunter — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 03:25 PM)
Yes there are.
Have been for years.
In the official handbooks and countless cardsets also official.
Spider-Man is stronger than Wolverine and Captain America.
Spider-Man is not stronger than Luke cage or Namor or The Thing.
They are strong enough to fight Hulk but not strong enough to beat him.
Thor, Sentry, and Gladiator could match the hulk.
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watchman19 — 9 years ago(October 07, 2016 11:09 AM)
You can find them for the comic book versions on Marvel's website. Each character has a "power grid" of stats on a scale of 1 to 7 that they update from time to time.
For example, Daredevil has a strength of 2, Captain America a 3, Spider-Man and Luke Cage are equally ranked with a strength of 4. Hulk and Thor both have a 7.
I don't know of any official stats for the MCU versions. -
TheMountainThatRides23 — 9 years ago(October 07, 2016 11:30 AM)
Dagnabbit people. Stop thinking I'm talking about the comic versions. I'm specifically mentioning MCU in every one of my posts. Only reason I'm saying this is because rayonmullings mentioned is arguing that Luke Cage is stronger than Spiderman in the "comics AND movie universe" and he cited the comic book stats as evidence.
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watchman19 — 9 years ago(October 08, 2016 05:55 AM)
Stop thinking I'm talking about the comic versions.
I didn't. That's why I stated that those stats were for the comic book versions and that I knew of no such stats for the MCU. The comic book stats prove nothing for the MCU. The only evidence to gauge such things for the MCU is what we're shown on screen. -
rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 08, 2016 09:15 AM)
cage is stronger, but base on the feats thats required, shows make you stronger are weaker. this is obvious, cause captain america, get's stronger in each movie. Right now captain america is at superhuman strength in the movies, and he's not suppose to be that strong, but he's boring when compared to hulk, thor and iron men, so they do their little power creep. I'm just using command sense, which i watch the show. if you look at cage in jessica jones, and in the tv show you will see the inconsistencyfor example a shotgun to the head knocks him out, but a rock that was launched directly at him, and pretty much hit him, did not leave a scratch, does that make sense?
also durability plays into your strength. If, rockets and shotgun blast can't break your bones, and explosive alien bullets can't break your muscle tissues even when they explode in you, then you're obviously going to be able to lift and carry more than a person, who's bones and body can be broken, from a gunshotsome of this stuff is command sense.
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quantumwav5 — 9 years ago(October 10, 2016 10:44 PM)
I could, but won't, write the kind of response that someone like you deserves. Which, given the topic, is as insane as it is hilarious.
Command sense does not exist; that's common sense for almost everyone. If you're not a native English speaker, then I understand.
Second, a point blank blast from a shotgun directly pressed against your throat & jaw is in the order of 10x more powerful & destructive than the impact of a rocket that DID NOT hit him directly at all. A rocket (I assume you didn't mean a rock, right?) launched from aprx. 100 feet away would hurt Cage, but it didn't hit him directly as he saw it coming and hurried over to shield & protect the owner of the restaurant. As such, the impact he received was from the rocket exploding about 5 to 10 ft. away from him (and the owner he shielded), and all of the falling rubble from the destroyed building above the Restaurant. That impact from the rocket, along with the falling rubble & debris, was enough to knock him out for an hour or so, and also resulted in sparking his off & on trip through memory lane to his time in Seagate Prison where he ends up getting his abilities.
As Claire Temple rightly points out in Episode 7 of "Luke Cage", the shotgun blast Cage received from Jessica Jones would have liquefied anybody's brains (along with taking half their face off). Being nigh-invulnerable, Cage just needed some time to heal the internal injuries from a shotgun blast directly pressed under his jaw & throat.
Lastly, the Alien Metal & Hammer tech reverse-engineered "Judas Bullet" is able to penetrate Cage's skin (because the "Judas Bullet"'s tip was made directly from Alien Metal found at the site of "The Incident" (AKA: Battle of New York), but his internal organs are just as "super" as he is, with Epithelial cells (which were transformed by the Abalone seashell & Seagate Water driven treatment that gave Cage his powers) that are super elastic & energy absorbing, which explains how they were able to repel almost all of the damage from the drilling & exploding "Judas Bullet" (THAT aspect of the bullet was NOT AlIEN but reverse-engineered by Hammer Tech). All that was left was to find a way to weaken his skin just enough (done by immersing Cage in boiling acid & salt) to penetrate the surrounding tissue (via the existing entry wound), and then remove the 3 pieces of offending shrapnel. After that, his system just rebooted, including his super rapid healing.
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quantumwav5 — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 12:40 AM)
The rocket took down the restaurant and the apartment above it. Far less than "half a city block". That's called a very rich exaggeration, man. You like hyperbole, doncha?
And the issue isn't about the power of a rocket blast vs. a shotgun blast, rayon; it's about the physics of the impact to Luke Cage specifically, of a rocket exploding 5 to 10 ft. away from him and to his back vs. a point blank shotgun blast pressed up directly underneath his head. What we look for here is the impact in ppsi (pounds per square inch) of a shotgun going off directly pressed underneath your head. And as we know, it wasn't the bullet that hurt him, but the ppsi impact plus the incredibly powerful & localized resonant vibrations delivered to the inside of Cage's head. That's what puts him out for a day. Then we compare that to a rocket exploding a certain distance away from Cage with his back turned away from it.
It's a good physics exercise and, if you can, ask a physics teacher about it. But make sure you provide the exact facts when presenting the problem, without resorting to exaggeration and hyperbole. Cuz a restaurant & an apartment do not "half a city block" make. Sounds to me like you think a little too much with your impulsive emotions and nowhere near enough with your mind, just the facts and the application of basic science.
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 01:06 AM)
THE ROCKET COME THROUGH THE WINDOW,AND PRETTY MUCH HIT HIM DIRECTLY. IT WASN'T NO TEN FEETS AWAY. THE GUY AIM THE ROCKET AT HIM, HE SAW THE ROCKET AND DIVE ON THE LADY TO COVER HER, SO ITS A DIRECT HIT.
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TurnerJazz — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 09:29 AM)
And it knocked him out. So what's the problem? Neither the rocket nor the shotgun broke his skin. Both knocked him out. The shotgun was a direct hit to his head and knocked him out for longer. The rocket most likely hit his back and still knocked him out.
So what's the problem here? That seems reasonably consistent to me.
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TheMountainThatRides23 — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 08:05 AM)
Right now captain america is at superhuman strength in the movies, and he's not suppose to be that strong,
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Yeah you're right. MCU Cap shouldn't be that strong. Compared to comic book Cap, he should be stronger!
also durability plays into your strength. If, rockets and shotgun blast can't break your bones, and explosive alien bullets can't break your muscle tissues even when they explode in you, then you're obviously going to be able to lift and carry more than a person, who's bones and body can be broken, from a gunshotsome of this stuff is command sense.
Can't claim feats until we see them. You also can't apply logic like that when the Marvel universe does not follow our logic. Does it follow your "COMMAND" sense that Captain America was able to go from below 100 lbs to 200+ lbs of muscle? Where did all that muscle come from and who is to say Cap's magic sciencey muscle isn't equal to or better than Cage's muscle? All we have to go on is feats. And Captain America's movie feats trump Luke Cage's show feats. If you want to throw that out the window and follow your "command sense" then go ahead.
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 03:11 PM)
when i see captain america, doing stupid stuff like holding back and helicopter, i check my mind out and instantly become bored, cause they aren't following there movies law. its a good thing he's not the only one in his movies, cause he's boring because of lazy writing
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tle_mgr — 9 years ago(October 08, 2016 10:57 AM)
Spider man is only listed be stronger than a normal human "by a factor of 10" whatever that means.
Basically that means he is as strong as whatever writer needs him to be.
True enough in a fight, Cage wouldn't be able to land a hand on him, but Luke wouldn't have any problems pulling his webs off.
Spiderman would have to win by being nimble and taking as many open shots as he can against the slower Cage, to wear him down and then knock him out.
But if Cage manages to grab him, then it is game over. -
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 09, 2016 01:50 AM)
i'm a comicbook fan, but i'm not an idiot. which is why i keep talking about power creeps in these threads cause that's whats happening.
So, yes i read alot of verses match, but i don't my brain off, and ignore the results a lot of time, cause its obvious i'm dealing with lazy writers, who don't want to put in any thought into there worklike batman beating superman. get the freak out of here. that will never happen on any planet and in any world
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