Who's stronger Spider-Man or Luke cage?
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quantumwav5 — 9 years ago(October 10, 2016 10:44 PM)
I could, but won't, write the kind of response that someone like you deserves. Which, given the topic, is as insane as it is hilarious.
Command sense does not exist; that's common sense for almost everyone. If you're not a native English speaker, then I understand.
Second, a point blank blast from a shotgun directly pressed against your throat & jaw is in the order of 10x more powerful & destructive than the impact of a rocket that DID NOT hit him directly at all. A rocket (I assume you didn't mean a rock, right?) launched from aprx. 100 feet away would hurt Cage, but it didn't hit him directly as he saw it coming and hurried over to shield & protect the owner of the restaurant. As such, the impact he received was from the rocket exploding about 5 to 10 ft. away from him (and the owner he shielded), and all of the falling rubble from the destroyed building above the Restaurant. That impact from the rocket, along with the falling rubble & debris, was enough to knock him out for an hour or so, and also resulted in sparking his off & on trip through memory lane to his time in Seagate Prison where he ends up getting his abilities.
As Claire Temple rightly points out in Episode 7 of "Luke Cage", the shotgun blast Cage received from Jessica Jones would have liquefied anybody's brains (along with taking half their face off). Being nigh-invulnerable, Cage just needed some time to heal the internal injuries from a shotgun blast directly pressed under his jaw & throat.
Lastly, the Alien Metal & Hammer tech reverse-engineered "Judas Bullet" is able to penetrate Cage's skin (because the "Judas Bullet"'s tip was made directly from Alien Metal found at the site of "The Incident" (AKA: Battle of New York), but his internal organs are just as "super" as he is, with Epithelial cells (which were transformed by the Abalone seashell & Seagate Water driven treatment that gave Cage his powers) that are super elastic & energy absorbing, which explains how they were able to repel almost all of the damage from the drilling & exploding "Judas Bullet" (THAT aspect of the bullet was NOT AlIEN but reverse-engineered by Hammer Tech). All that was left was to find a way to weaken his skin just enough (done by immersing Cage in boiling acid & salt) to penetrate the surrounding tissue (via the existing entry wound), and then remove the 3 pieces of offending shrapnel. After that, his system just rebooted, including his super rapid healing.
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quantumwav5 — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 12:40 AM)
The rocket took down the restaurant and the apartment above it. Far less than "half a city block". That's called a very rich exaggeration, man. You like hyperbole, doncha?
And the issue isn't about the power of a rocket blast vs. a shotgun blast, rayon; it's about the physics of the impact to Luke Cage specifically, of a rocket exploding 5 to 10 ft. away from him and to his back vs. a point blank shotgun blast pressed up directly underneath his head. What we look for here is the impact in ppsi (pounds per square inch) of a shotgun going off directly pressed underneath your head. And as we know, it wasn't the bullet that hurt him, but the ppsi impact plus the incredibly powerful & localized resonant vibrations delivered to the inside of Cage's head. That's what puts him out for a day. Then we compare that to a rocket exploding a certain distance away from Cage with his back turned away from it.
It's a good physics exercise and, if you can, ask a physics teacher about it. But make sure you provide the exact facts when presenting the problem, without resorting to exaggeration and hyperbole. Cuz a restaurant & an apartment do not "half a city block" make. Sounds to me like you think a little too much with your impulsive emotions and nowhere near enough with your mind, just the facts and the application of basic science.
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 01:06 AM)
THE ROCKET COME THROUGH THE WINDOW,AND PRETTY MUCH HIT HIM DIRECTLY. IT WASN'T NO TEN FEETS AWAY. THE GUY AIM THE ROCKET AT HIM, HE SAW THE ROCKET AND DIVE ON THE LADY TO COVER HER, SO ITS A DIRECT HIT.
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TurnerJazz — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 09:29 AM)
And it knocked him out. So what's the problem? Neither the rocket nor the shotgun broke his skin. Both knocked him out. The shotgun was a direct hit to his head and knocked him out for longer. The rocket most likely hit his back and still knocked him out.
So what's the problem here? That seems reasonably consistent to me.
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TheMountainThatRides23 — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 08:05 AM)
Right now captain america is at superhuman strength in the movies, and he's not suppose to be that strong,
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Yeah you're right. MCU Cap shouldn't be that strong. Compared to comic book Cap, he should be stronger!
also durability plays into your strength. If, rockets and shotgun blast can't break your bones, and explosive alien bullets can't break your muscle tissues even when they explode in you, then you're obviously going to be able to lift and carry more than a person, who's bones and body can be broken, from a gunshotsome of this stuff is command sense.
Can't claim feats until we see them. You also can't apply logic like that when the Marvel universe does not follow our logic. Does it follow your "COMMAND" sense that Captain America was able to go from below 100 lbs to 200+ lbs of muscle? Where did all that muscle come from and who is to say Cap's magic sciencey muscle isn't equal to or better than Cage's muscle? All we have to go on is feats. And Captain America's movie feats trump Luke Cage's show feats. If you want to throw that out the window and follow your "command sense" then go ahead.
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 03:11 PM)
when i see captain america, doing stupid stuff like holding back and helicopter, i check my mind out and instantly become bored, cause they aren't following there movies law. its a good thing he's not the only one in his movies, cause he's boring because of lazy writing
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tle_mgr — 9 years ago(October 08, 2016 10:57 AM)
Spider man is only listed be stronger than a normal human "by a factor of 10" whatever that means.
Basically that means he is as strong as whatever writer needs him to be.
True enough in a fight, Cage wouldn't be able to land a hand on him, but Luke wouldn't have any problems pulling his webs off.
Spiderman would have to win by being nimble and taking as many open shots as he can against the slower Cage, to wear him down and then knock him out.
But if Cage manages to grab him, then it is game over. -
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 09, 2016 01:50 AM)
i'm a comicbook fan, but i'm not an idiot. which is why i keep talking about power creeps in these threads cause that's whats happening.
So, yes i read alot of verses match, but i don't my brain off, and ignore the results a lot of time, cause its obvious i'm dealing with lazy writers, who don't want to put in any thought into there worklike batman beating superman. get the freak out of here. that will never happen on any planet and in any world
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 10, 2016 01:23 PM)
if you have x-ray vision, and can cook someone with your eyes, from 40 feet or you can freeze breath someone from a block away, and can hit a person at superspeed before they blink, do you think, you're going to be defeat by him, cause he as something your weak to??? superman have too many ways to defeat batman, for it to be realistic. When it comes to kryptonite, unless, you're Lois Lane, i find it hard, for people to catch superman so off guard that he would be able to become week by kryptonite and be defeated or kill. Superman trust Lois Lane, so he could be sleeping over and she puts it by the bed and he wakes up feeling weak. But for anyone else to just defeat him like that his ridiculous. Cause its not like, he flies over you, and he immediately loses his power, no. About a few seconds are so, he begans to feel it, but he's still strong enough to run away at superspeed or strong enough to hit, you fast at superspeed and kill you.
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tle_mgr — 9 years ago(October 10, 2016 01:33 PM)
Okay. Seriously I am not arguing, I am just trying to compare what you say to what I see in the comics and in Batman v Superman.
In B v S, clearly Supes was feeling the effects but he didn't run away at supersonic speed or fly away. It looked as if he couldn't do anything but be a punching bag. How do we reconcile what we see with our eyes, to what you claim otherwise? -
rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 10, 2016 04:35 PM)
you forget at the end of the movie, he flew back and got that same kryptonite and flew a nice distant to kill doomsday with it..based on the movie and what you're talking about he should not be able to do thatbut like i said, they are lazy and so they break there own rules, and you see power creeps come up all the time, and in the movie that's a power creep or is it lazy writing or maybe superman didn't think batman is a threat.
my point is logically batman can't beat superman, and you see it in that very movie, you're talking about.
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quantumwav5 — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 12:10 AM)
Batman beat Superman with 2 Lead-Cased Kryptonite Gas Grenades: the first had a limited effect on Superman, as it exploded outside and in the rain, heavily dissipating its effectiveness; the second exploded in a very musty, completely enclosed environment with zero ventilation & air circulation, which maximized its effectiveness against Superman, and it showed.
Still, the 2nd main part of Batman's Plan is his Mech-Suit, which is both strong enough to offer him at least some limited protection against Superman, and powerful enough to dish out the kind of punishment needed to hurt Superman. Because although the Kryptonite Gas weakened Superman considerably, Batman still needs the Mech-Suit's power to subdue even a kryptonite-weakened Kal-El!
Also, not only could Superman not see the Kryptonite in Batman's Lead-Cased Gas Grenades, he wouldn't even know to look for it, because in this budding DCEU, Superman has no idea what Kryptonite even is or what it can do to him.
Lastly, he's able to retrieve the Kryptonite Spear out of the water but it takes a toll on him. Lois throws it away and once Superman recovers his strength, he realizes that he must fly the Kryptonite Spear to kill Doomsday. But he knows what Lois knows (that doing so will leave him very weak & vulnerable to whatever counter-attack Doomsday dishes out) but he flies the Spear with the Kryptonite tip far enough away from him to do what he knows only he can do: Drive the Spear right through the Kryptonian monster ('the desecration with no name') with whatever it takes. Tragically, it ends up taking his life, as we see Superman draw himself closer to Doomsday using the Giant Mutant Bone Spur Doomsday struck him in the chest with and, in a powerful Excalibur/Arthurian-like moment, is only able to run the spear completely thru Doomsday by killing himself in his final act of pulling himself over to Doomsday using the Monster's own mutant Bone Spur.
My only frustration so far with the DCEU Superman isn't a complaint but a very strong desire/anticipation to see him become aware of all he's truly capable of, and not be afraid to use his abilities to their fullest. This will only happen once he's fully embraced his Alien Nature and truly explores all of his powers & their true extent with the same joy & relish we saw in him during his first flight in the middle of "Man of Steel".
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 12:29 AM)
My only frustration so far with the DCEU Superman isn't a complaint but a very strong desire/anticipation to see him become aware of all he's truly capable of, and not be afraid to use his abilities to their fullest. This will only happen once he's fully embraced his Alien Nature and truly explores all of his powers & their true extent with the same joy & relish we saw in him during his first flight in the middle of "Man of Steel".
At this point, his main struggle is the need for a genuine reconciliation between his Human Upbringing and his Alien Nature & Heritage.
nope, its all bad writing, cause they don't know how to make it come off believable, so they make him do dumb stuff after dumb stuff.superman is always smart in his comics, and one of the best thing about superman and lex, is that he always manage to beat lex using his mind not his fist. However, whenever batman shows up, superman immediately become stupid, so that batman can look good. Its like how they ugly up beautiful woman, to make a star look better, only because they want to emphasize that person, and not become comparatively they are more beautiful than the other.
let me ask you a question. If you have all of superman abilities, can you see batman beating you up?
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quantumwav5 — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 01:53 AM)
My last reply to you, kid: you're letting your frustrations and negative emotions spoil lots of good stuff that your own hate & anger blind you towards. Lazy writing? More like a lazy audience navel gazing at their own expectations, thus blinding them to what's actually there (well, in the UE anyway).
And this isn't about the very appropriate frustrations you have with the very real effort DC has made in the last 25 years to lift Batman up by pushing Superman down, making him far less intelligent than he has been, most notably his Pre-Crisis version.
It's about how ppl like you see these kinds of things thru the red in your eyes (your mindless rage rings out as clear as a bell, buddy-boy), making any understanding of what you're actually seeing impossible. Because all you choose to feel is to see what you aren't seeing to the exclusion of anything else.
If you have all of superman abilities, can you see batman beating you up?
First, as I said in my previous post, DCEU Superman neither has or is aware of the full breadth & extent of his powers. Second, if I had no idea Kryptonite existed or what it was, I could easily see myself be taken down by a master strategist like Batman, especially one fueled by rage and embittered anger from a harrowing, painful & personally costly 20+ year career, pushed over the edge by the events of The Kryptonian Invasion and then made even worse thru Lex's insidious, devious 2 year long manipulation of Wallace Keef and himself. Add to that Bruce's discovery of Lex's shipment of a large cache of Kryptonite from the Indian Ocean and you have the recipe for Batman's very possible take down of a Superman who doesn't even want to fight him and is forced to do so by a delusional & very scary, dangerous son of Lex Luthor who's actually giddy about kidnapping and threatening to murder/burn a 60+ year old mother. So yeah, I can see it and I've read & own about 95% of every Superman comic ever published (either physical or digital).
All that said, I DO AGREE with you that, under normal circumstances, with a self-possessed Superman aware of all he can do with a few years experience under his belt, would be very, very hard for Batman to do much against, Kryptonite be damned! (One way or another, he'd be ready for it).
And I know we'll be seeing that kind of Superman one day in live action film and TV. I'm patient that way and I have faith that it's only a matter of time. In the meantime, I also see how awesome what they're doing is now and I'm loving it.
You don't like it? Oh well, it's your right and your opinion. Ciao, Angry Bird.
