Who's stronger Spider-Man or Luke cage?
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 10, 2016 01:23 PM)
if you have x-ray vision, and can cook someone with your eyes, from 40 feet or you can freeze breath someone from a block away, and can hit a person at superspeed before they blink, do you think, you're going to be defeat by him, cause he as something your weak to??? superman have too many ways to defeat batman, for it to be realistic. When it comes to kryptonite, unless, you're Lois Lane, i find it hard, for people to catch superman so off guard that he would be able to become week by kryptonite and be defeated or kill. Superman trust Lois Lane, so he could be sleeping over and she puts it by the bed and he wakes up feeling weak. But for anyone else to just defeat him like that his ridiculous. Cause its not like, he flies over you, and he immediately loses his power, no. About a few seconds are so, he begans to feel it, but he's still strong enough to run away at superspeed or strong enough to hit, you fast at superspeed and kill you.
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tle_mgr — 9 years ago(October 10, 2016 01:33 PM)
Okay. Seriously I am not arguing, I am just trying to compare what you say to what I see in the comics and in Batman v Superman.
In B v S, clearly Supes was feeling the effects but he didn't run away at supersonic speed or fly away. It looked as if he couldn't do anything but be a punching bag. How do we reconcile what we see with our eyes, to what you claim otherwise? -
rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 10, 2016 04:35 PM)
you forget at the end of the movie, he flew back and got that same kryptonite and flew a nice distant to kill doomsday with it..based on the movie and what you're talking about he should not be able to do thatbut like i said, they are lazy and so they break there own rules, and you see power creeps come up all the time, and in the movie that's a power creep or is it lazy writing or maybe superman didn't think batman is a threat.
my point is logically batman can't beat superman, and you see it in that very movie, you're talking about.
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quantumwav5 — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 12:10 AM)
Batman beat Superman with 2 Lead-Cased Kryptonite Gas Grenades: the first had a limited effect on Superman, as it exploded outside and in the rain, heavily dissipating its effectiveness; the second exploded in a very musty, completely enclosed environment with zero ventilation & air circulation, which maximized its effectiveness against Superman, and it showed.
Still, the 2nd main part of Batman's Plan is his Mech-Suit, which is both strong enough to offer him at least some limited protection against Superman, and powerful enough to dish out the kind of punishment needed to hurt Superman. Because although the Kryptonite Gas weakened Superman considerably, Batman still needs the Mech-Suit's power to subdue even a kryptonite-weakened Kal-El!
Also, not only could Superman not see the Kryptonite in Batman's Lead-Cased Gas Grenades, he wouldn't even know to look for it, because in this budding DCEU, Superman has no idea what Kryptonite even is or what it can do to him.
Lastly, he's able to retrieve the Kryptonite Spear out of the water but it takes a toll on him. Lois throws it away and once Superman recovers his strength, he realizes that he must fly the Kryptonite Spear to kill Doomsday. But he knows what Lois knows (that doing so will leave him very weak & vulnerable to whatever counter-attack Doomsday dishes out) but he flies the Spear with the Kryptonite tip far enough away from him to do what he knows only he can do: Drive the Spear right through the Kryptonian monster ('the desecration with no name') with whatever it takes. Tragically, it ends up taking his life, as we see Superman draw himself closer to Doomsday using the Giant Mutant Bone Spur Doomsday struck him in the chest with and, in a powerful Excalibur/Arthurian-like moment, is only able to run the spear completely thru Doomsday by killing himself in his final act of pulling himself over to Doomsday using the Monster's own mutant Bone Spur.
My only frustration so far with the DCEU Superman isn't a complaint but a very strong desire/anticipation to see him become aware of all he's truly capable of, and not be afraid to use his abilities to their fullest. This will only happen once he's fully embraced his Alien Nature and truly explores all of his powers & their true extent with the same joy & relish we saw in him during his first flight in the middle of "Man of Steel".
At this point, his main struggle is the need for a genuine reconciliation between his Human Upbringing and his Alien Nature & Heritage. -
rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 12:29 AM)
My only frustration so far with the DCEU Superman isn't a complaint but a very strong desire/anticipation to see him become aware of all he's truly capable of, and not be afraid to use his abilities to their fullest. This will only happen once he's fully embraced his Alien Nature and truly explores all of his powers & their true extent with the same joy & relish we saw in him during his first flight in the middle of "Man of Steel".
At this point, his main struggle is the need for a genuine reconciliation between his Human Upbringing and his Alien Nature & Heritage.
nope, its all bad writing, cause they don't know how to make it come off believable, so they make him do dumb stuff after dumb stuff.superman is always smart in his comics, and one of the best thing about superman and lex, is that he always manage to beat lex using his mind not his fist. However, whenever batman shows up, superman immediately become stupid, so that batman can look good. Its like how they ugly up beautiful woman, to make a star look better, only because they want to emphasize that person, and not become comparatively they are more beautiful than the other.
let me ask you a question. If you have all of superman abilities, can you see batman beating you up?
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quantumwav5 — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 01:53 AM)
My last reply to you, kid: you're letting your frustrations and negative emotions spoil lots of good stuff that your own hate & anger blind you towards. Lazy writing? More like a lazy audience navel gazing at their own expectations, thus blinding them to what's actually there (well, in the UE anyway).
And this isn't about the very appropriate frustrations you have with the very real effort DC has made in the last 25 years to lift Batman up by pushing Superman down, making him far less intelligent than he has been, most notably his Pre-Crisis version.
It's about how ppl like you see these kinds of things thru the red in your eyes (your mindless rage rings out as clear as a bell, buddy-boy), making any understanding of what you're actually seeing impossible. Because all you choose to feel is to see what you aren't seeing to the exclusion of anything else.
If you have all of superman abilities, can you see batman beating you up?
First, as I said in my previous post, DCEU Superman neither has or is aware of the full breadth & extent of his powers. Second, if I had no idea Kryptonite existed or what it was, I could easily see myself be taken down by a master strategist like Batman, especially one fueled by rage and embittered anger from a harrowing, painful & personally costly 20+ year career, pushed over the edge by the events of The Kryptonian Invasion and then made even worse thru Lex's insidious, devious 2 year long manipulation of Wallace Keef and himself. Add to that Bruce's discovery of Lex's shipment of a large cache of Kryptonite from the Indian Ocean and you have the recipe for Batman's very possible take down of a Superman who doesn't even want to fight him and is forced to do so by a delusional & very scary, dangerous son of Lex Luthor who's actually giddy about kidnapping and threatening to murder/burn a 60+ year old mother. So yeah, I can see it and I've read & own about 95% of every Superman comic ever published (either physical or digital).
All that said, I DO AGREE with you that, under normal circumstances, with a self-possessed Superman aware of all he can do with a few years experience under his belt, would be very, very hard for Batman to do much against, Kryptonite be damned! (One way or another, he'd be ready for it).
And I know we'll be seeing that kind of Superman one day in live action film and TV. I'm patient that way and I have faith that it's only a matter of time. In the meantime, I also see how awesome what they're doing is now and I'm loving it.
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 05:08 AM)
dagw, you're blowing yourself off, and too impress with you. this superman beat zod and three other kryptonians that was genetically design by science thousands of years ahead of us to be soldiers, so don't tell me about batman 20 years of fighting ability.
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quantumwav5 — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 12:25 PM)
UH huh. Right, sure, whatever.
I concede to your right to be ignorant. Like how Kryptonians are genetically designed to be soldiers. So what? Batman is the epitome of a trained soldier and much more.
The whole point of Batman's quest in BvS is to acquire the only weapon capable of helping someone defeat a Kryptonian: Kryptonite. And he uses it against a very young (2 year old) Superman who doesn't even know Kryptonite exists yet. IN that scenario, equipped with a Kryptonite spear and a clear, smart strategy, it is absolutely possible for Batman to subdue Superman.
But continue being blind to what's obvious (however it upsets you and how much you wish Superman was presented differently) and enjoy that fun ride of hatred & ignorance. And I didn't say anything about Batman's "20 years of fighting ability", I said:
I could easily see myself be taken down by a master strategist like Batman, especially one fueled by rage and embittered anger from a harrowing, painful & personally costly 20+ year career, pushed over the edge by the events of The Kryptonian Invasion and then made even worse thru Lex's insidious, devious 2 year long manipulation of Wallace Keef and himself.
Learn to read & understand a little bit. You might find it useful.
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Brother_h — 9 years ago(October 08, 2016 09:57 PM)
Spider-man is massively above Luke Cage in strength, but Spider-man is no where near as durable.
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lukecage92 — 9 years ago(October 09, 2016 08:04 AM)
Well if it is in the comics, I remembered getting the Marvel Handbook when I was younger and comparing strength classes. Spider-man was a Class 25 while Cage was a Class 30. Now it could change since their strength level has been inconsistent the past ten years depending on the writer.
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slickr12345 — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 06:36 AM)
Spider man has increased strength to the point of several man, but he is not bulletproof, he can't really lift heavy objects on his own, he can't punch through walls, etc
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king_of_bob — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 07:33 PM)
They're equal in terms of physical strength. Luke is much more durable, but Spider-man is smarter and faster.
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