How is it that the so called worlds greatest detective
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Kyos — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 10:16 AM)
correct me if I am wrong but he is not the worlds greatest detective in the DC universe?
This is the DC
EU
, though. Here people like Lex, Waller and Lois are better informed about beep than he is, and that's only talking about characters we already know. -
OdumC — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 10:22 AM)
I've asked this myself many times after Lois was able to deduce his identity in a short montage in MoS without subtle hints like the aliens that show up looking for him landing at the Kent Farm, or the Smallville fight having a comically straight line from the 7-11 they crashed through back to the kent's front porch.
So far the answers seem to be "He planned to kill a godlike creature.. why would he bother investigating him?"Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 07:48 PM)
So do we assume that the Batman in DCEU does not have a superior intellect? He most certainly doesn't ever demonstrate it in BvS does he?
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OdumC — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 08:20 PM)
Well when planning to take on a godlike alien with super strength, to prepare he beats on a tire. that's sh!t you see apes do at the zoo. I would have been more impressed if they had a montage with him using a soldering iron working on his power armor.
But I found his whole training montage ridiculous. Getting around the whole "You're not going to pack on enough.. or ANY mass beating on a tire for a few minutes", he's a billionaire. why wouldn't he have the most state of the art weight machines money could buy down there?
But no, I didn't see him do or say anything that would imply anything beyond an almost stupid brutish intellect.
"omg an alien ship is blasting the sh!t out of metropolis! instead of suiting up and hopping in my armored plane with gatling guns and missles, I think I'll helicopter in, do a quick jeep commercial, then go running into a warzone to make a phone call because apparently my employees are stupid as fck and are sitting at their desk waiting on me to give them a half day."Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 08:57 PM)
Well when planning to take on a godlike alien with super strength, to prepare he beats on a tire. that's sh!t you see apes do at the zoo.
Ouch I have used sledge hammer training in the past when I used to do Kickboxing years ago lol. However I have to say that I would not have used it in preparation to fight an Alien that could throw a freaking tank at me one handed lol. I think that maybe some footage of Batman working out the weaknesses of Superman on the Bat-computer would have been more appropriate but I guess that doesn't show off Affleck physic.
"omg an alien ship is blasting the sh!t out of metropolis! instead of suiting up and hopping in my armored plane with gatling guns and missles, I think I'll helicopter in, do a quick jeep commercial, then go running into a warzone to make a phone call because apparently my employees are stupid as fck and are sitting at their desk waiting on me to give them a half day."
You were not impressed that he managed to summon a car from the future? lol
To make a great film you need three things - the script, the script and the script -Alfred Hitchcock -
OdumC — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 09:07 PM)
I still say the montage should have been spent showing him doing something intelligent, as him working out to bulk up to take on a godlike alien that he will never match strength with just made him look like an idiot.
His power suit was what matched his strength after he got dosed. him beating on a tire for an afternoon was pointless.
Even him making Kryptonite weapons was spoiled because he was just highjacking Lex's work and using it for his own ends.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 11:51 PM)
I just personally don't care.
Batman has never been the super detective that he is in the comics in any of the live action Batman movies. In this one, he didn't seem to be thinking 100% clearly.
He kind of had a shoot first ask questions later mentality and it worked for me.
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
I didn't quite nail it - Christian Bale -
Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 12:07 AM)
Batman has never been the super detective that he is in the comics in any of the live action Batman movies.
Super detective? No.
Been able to deduce things? Yes. This Batman didn't seem capable of that either.
In this one, he didn't seem to be thinking 100% clearly.
In this one, he was doing Snyder's bidding. Remember, Snyder is the man who drew out a one-panel fight into several minutes of superpowered carnage in Watchmen. He's not in it for the comic book accuracy. He just wants violence.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 11:57 PM)
Does he ever research who the Joker's mother is ?
I don't think I've ever personally seen a comic where Batman is researching who his enemies parents' are. Hush maybe? I dunno
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
I didn't quite nail it - Christian Bale -
Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 12:15 AM)
Does he ever research who the Joker's mother is ?
. <- The point
(~) <- your head.
He barely researched Superman
at all
. People use the "research Superman's parents" thing to illustrate how off the mark this Batman is. He shows no interest in actually finding things out about Superman.
All in the name of getting to the punching and the explosions.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 12:41 AM)
Exactly because he didn't care about who Superman was. It was his philosophy that was driving his decision to kill him. No one should be able to possess that level of power
It's not about whether he's corrupt now or not. It's about whether there's a 1% chance that he'll ever turn. Batman just decided he was going to wipe out the alien eliminate the potential of Superman's powers being used/abused for evil.
That was what Batman felt was most important driving his decision to kill him. If he started researching him, he knew that he'd have potential to see the humanity in him and would end up talking himself out of it.
When you want to kill an alien, you don't go searching for the things that are going to make you relate to him and that help humanize him.
You want to view your enemy as an "it" or some sort of super weapon that needs to be disarmed. His philosophy was explained perfectly in the movie, and made complete sense.
It's like saying if there's even a 1% chance someone would ever launch a nuclear weapon at us, we need to destroy that weapon.
Nuclear disarmament, Superman disarmament?
All in the name of getting to the punching and the explosions.
In all honesty Snyder was pretty tame with the action scenes this time around for a good part of the movie.
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 01:11 AM)
It's not about whether he's corrupt now or not. It's about whether there's a 1% chance that he'll ever turn.
Ah, you mean the uncertainty that apparently disappeared once Batman learned a bit more about his opponent?
If he started researching him, he knew that he'd have potential to see the humanity in him and would end up talking himself out of it.
Too bad there is literally nothing in the movie that confirms this, huh?
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 01:34 AM)
Too bad there is literally nothing in the movie that confirms this, huh?
Ah, you mean the uncertainty that apparently disappeared once Batman learned a bit more about his opponent?
Yeah, that's what I loved about it. At the end of the day, Batman's humanity ended up trumping his philosophy. He couldn't do it, because at his core, his inner "good guy" just wouldn't allow for it.
Too bad there is literally nothing in the movie that confirms this, huh?
It's honestly less tiring to speculate than it is to get hung up over nitpicks. That's how I see it anyway.The Detective aspect of Batman is overrated anyways. I don't think there are any Batman stories that make for great mysteries anyways.
His gadgets pretty much auto-sleuth for him lol
He obviously knew enough about Superman to exploit his physical weaknesses which is directly related to his urge to wipe him out.
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 01:51 AM)
Yeah, that's what I loved about it.
You love inconsistencies?
You love that just because Batman sees humanity in Superman, he suddenly decides that there is zero risk that Superman will ever do something bad?
It's honestly less tiring to speculate than it is to get hung up over nitpicks.
It's not a nitpick, though. It's about Batman's character.
He obviously knew enough about Superman to exploit his physical weaknesses which is directly related to his urge to wipe him out.
Because the defining characteristic of Batman has always been "I know enough to kill him"?
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 04:32 AM)
You love inconsistencies?
You love that just because Batman sees humanity in Superman, he suddenly decides that there is zero risk that Superman will ever do something bad?
Yes, I like that he can't bring himself to kill superman who is ultimately a good man and a hero. His morality prevents him from being able to kill someone like Superman. He's willing to give him a chance.
He puts his faith in Superman, and it pays off because Superman sacrifices himself to kill Doomsday and protect everyone.
That's not being inconsistent it's called changing your mind and it's something that humans do every day.
It's not a nitpick, though. It's about Batman's character.
Certain elements of characters are always changed from the comics.
Because the defining characteristic of Batman has always been "I know enough to kill him"?
We've never really had a story where Batman decides he wants to set out and kill a God. It was new territory for the character.
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
I didn't quite nail it - Christian Bale -
Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 05:27 AM)
He's willing to give him a chance
Except for the fact that the entire conflict was due to the fact that Batman was completely unwilling to do that. Even though it would have taken about a minute to find information about how Superman saved the world.
See, I'm not saying that the idea is bad as such - it's just that the execution is really bad.
You're willing to forgive the bad writing because you like the movie. I'm not going to forgive bad writing in a movie that has so much of it.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 05:28 AM)
completely unwilling to do that
Obviously he wasn't completely unwilling. That's not bad writing. You've just got it wrong. When put it came to the final moment where Batman had the opportunity to show no mercy he decided to show mercy.
Simple as that. Sometimes it's easier to say you're going to act than to actually carry out the act.
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
I didn't quite nail it - Christian Bale -
Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 05:31 AM)
if we believe there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty
Yeah he was clearly willing to give Superman a chance
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.