How is it that the so called worlds greatest detective
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 11:51 PM)
I just personally don't care.
Batman has never been the super detective that he is in the comics in any of the live action Batman movies. In this one, he didn't seem to be thinking 100% clearly.
He kind of had a shoot first ask questions later mentality and it worked for me.
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 12:07 AM)
Batman has never been the super detective that he is in the comics in any of the live action Batman movies.
Super detective? No.
Been able to deduce things? Yes. This Batman didn't seem capable of that either.
In this one, he didn't seem to be thinking 100% clearly.
In this one, he was doing Snyder's bidding. Remember, Snyder is the man who drew out a one-panel fight into several minutes of superpowered carnage in Watchmen. He's not in it for the comic book accuracy. He just wants violence.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 11:57 PM)
Does he ever research who the Joker's mother is ?
I don't think I've ever personally seen a comic where Batman is researching who his enemies parents' are. Hush maybe? I dunno
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 12:15 AM)
Does he ever research who the Joker's mother is ?
. <- The point
(~) <- your head.
He barely researched Superman
at all
. People use the "research Superman's parents" thing to illustrate how off the mark this Batman is. He shows no interest in actually finding things out about Superman.
All in the name of getting to the punching and the explosions.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 12:41 AM)
Exactly because he didn't care about who Superman was. It was his philosophy that was driving his decision to kill him. No one should be able to possess that level of power
It's not about whether he's corrupt now or not. It's about whether there's a 1% chance that he'll ever turn. Batman just decided he was going to wipe out the alien eliminate the potential of Superman's powers being used/abused for evil.
That was what Batman felt was most important driving his decision to kill him. If he started researching him, he knew that he'd have potential to see the humanity in him and would end up talking himself out of it.
When you want to kill an alien, you don't go searching for the things that are going to make you relate to him and that help humanize him.
You want to view your enemy as an "it" or some sort of super weapon that needs to be disarmed. His philosophy was explained perfectly in the movie, and made complete sense.
It's like saying if there's even a 1% chance someone would ever launch a nuclear weapon at us, we need to destroy that weapon.
Nuclear disarmament, Superman disarmament?
All in the name of getting to the punching and the explosions.
In all honesty Snyder was pretty tame with the action scenes this time around for a good part of the movie.
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 01:11 AM)
It's not about whether he's corrupt now or not. It's about whether there's a 1% chance that he'll ever turn.
Ah, you mean the uncertainty that apparently disappeared once Batman learned a bit more about his opponent?
If he started researching him, he knew that he'd have potential to see the humanity in him and would end up talking himself out of it.
Too bad there is literally nothing in the movie that confirms this, huh?
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 01:34 AM)
Too bad there is literally nothing in the movie that confirms this, huh?
Ah, you mean the uncertainty that apparently disappeared once Batman learned a bit more about his opponent?
Yeah, that's what I loved about it. At the end of the day, Batman's humanity ended up trumping his philosophy. He couldn't do it, because at his core, his inner "good guy" just wouldn't allow for it.
Too bad there is literally nothing in the movie that confirms this, huh?
It's honestly less tiring to speculate than it is to get hung up over nitpicks. That's how I see it anyway.The Detective aspect of Batman is overrated anyways. I don't think there are any Batman stories that make for great mysteries anyways.
His gadgets pretty much auto-sleuth for him lol
He obviously knew enough about Superman to exploit his physical weaknesses which is directly related to his urge to wipe him out.
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 01:51 AM)
Yeah, that's what I loved about it.
You love inconsistencies?
You love that just because Batman sees humanity in Superman, he suddenly decides that there is zero risk that Superman will ever do something bad?
It's honestly less tiring to speculate than it is to get hung up over nitpicks.
It's not a nitpick, though. It's about Batman's character.
He obviously knew enough about Superman to exploit his physical weaknesses which is directly related to his urge to wipe him out.
Because the defining characteristic of Batman has always been "I know enough to kill him"?
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 04:32 AM)
You love inconsistencies?
You love that just because Batman sees humanity in Superman, he suddenly decides that there is zero risk that Superman will ever do something bad?
Yes, I like that he can't bring himself to kill superman who is ultimately a good man and a hero. His morality prevents him from being able to kill someone like Superman. He's willing to give him a chance.
He puts his faith in Superman, and it pays off because Superman sacrifices himself to kill Doomsday and protect everyone.
That's not being inconsistent it's called changing your mind and it's something that humans do every day.
It's not a nitpick, though. It's about Batman's character.
Certain elements of characters are always changed from the comics.
Because the defining characteristic of Batman has always been "I know enough to kill him"?
We've never really had a story where Batman decides he wants to set out and kill a God. It was new territory for the character.
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 05:27 AM)
He's willing to give him a chance
Except for the fact that the entire conflict was due to the fact that Batman was completely unwilling to do that. Even though it would have taken about a minute to find information about how Superman saved the world.
See, I'm not saying that the idea is bad as such - it's just that the execution is really bad.
You're willing to forgive the bad writing because you like the movie. I'm not going to forgive bad writing in a movie that has so much of it.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 05:28 AM)
completely unwilling to do that
Obviously he wasn't completely unwilling. That's not bad writing. You've just got it wrong. When put it came to the final moment where Batman had the opportunity to show no mercy he decided to show mercy.
Simple as that. Sometimes it's easier to say you're going to act than to actually carry out the act.
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 05:31 AM)
if we believe there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty
Yeah he was clearly willing to give Superman a chance
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 06:15 AM)
"I've been planning, for months, to kill you, on the off-chance that you could possibly do harm sometime way in the future! Say what? You have some humanity in you, illustrated by you having a mother? Then everything is hunky dory!"
Do you seriously not see how badly it was handled?
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 06:40 AM)
Do you seriously not see how badly it was handled?
How is that handled poorly it's called a change of heart. Were only human.
He was standing over him with a spear ready to deliver a death blow and he realized what he was doing was not the right way to handle things. He's being totally evil by not allowing a good man to rescue his mother.
The parallels between that situation and the situation where he was defenseless to save his own mother were what snapped him out of feeling he has to follow through on his philosophy.
A 1% chance that Superman can turn bad doesn't really put Batman in a situation where he's incredibly desperate to see the job through. It's not like Superman is in the midst of turning evil at that exact moment.
As I said, he's a human just like you and I, and he's allowed to change his mind.
Make up your OWN mind. Don't be a follower.
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 07:07 AM)
How is that handled poorly it's called a change of heart.
It's called a plot convenience.
A 1% chance that Superman can turn bad doesn't really put Batman in a situation where he's incredibly desperate to see the job through.
Didn't you hear? He had to treat it as "an absolute certainty".
Except for if the enemy should happen to have a mother. Then all is well.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 07:12 AM)
Oh FFS so just because someone says something is an absolute certainty it means they 100% have to follow thorough on it even if they're presented with a scenario parallels the situation that made him become Batman in the first place?
I've said "I have to do X task today because it's very important" multiple times before and then decided last minute not to do it and my reasoning was simply because I didn't feel like it.
Anyways you have your feelings towards Batman motivations and you've backed up why you feel that way, and I have my feelings towards his motivation and I've backed up why I feel that way.
They are our opinions and I figure were just going to go around in circles here.
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Fluffis — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 07:27 AM)
Oh FFS so just because someone says something is an absolute certainty it means they 100% have to follow thorough on it even if they're presented with a scenario parallels the situation that made him become Batman in the first place?
Oh, I'm sorry; I didn't realize pre-pubescent Bruce Wayne was a superpowered alien with the power to destroy mankind.
Well, in that case it becomes completely logical to drop any thoughts that he might level the world one day.
Your right about one thing, though: time to end the discussion.
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Ramboman24 — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 07:40 AM)
we all made a pact
A bunch of 40 yr old losers making imdb pacts
Just priceless.
Actually it's been f-ckin awesome not having to talk to you, TJ, or Ogump in all honesty. Less retardation to deal with.
Thanks
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