Savatar = Future Barry!
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Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 03:48 AM)
Because Future Barry is on a quest to change the timeline to save HIS future Iris.
In his mind, it doesn't matter what he does.
Once he's fixed everything, he'll get his Iris back.
(But like I said to other people here, not so sure it's Future Barry anymore) -
stargazer_1682 — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 06:20 PM)
I'd like for it to turn out to be Eddie Thawne, thrown back in time, revived and granted powers by the singularity that he got swallowed up by right after his death. That would mean the Post-Flashpoint timeline is where Eobard originally came from.
He lied to us through song! I hate when people do that." -
stargazer_1682 — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 02:15 PM)
Oh That would be cool.
Eddie would explain why he knows everyone.
Wait, did Eddie know Wally?
It would appear that the version of Savitar they fought and threw into the Speed Force was an older, future version; who had previous contact with Team Flash at some later date from the perspective of everyone else. So if it were Eddie, or really anyone, he could learn who they all the next time they encounter him; which will be the first time for Savitar from his perspective.
What I want to know is , are we supposed to assume that Rip hasn't actually already heard this recording? Presumably he would have deleted it if he had
Well, you know, Rip may be one of those people who listens to a message and never deletes them.
He lied to us through song! I hate when people do that." -
Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 02:22 PM)
What if it's Hunter?
Who escaped the time-wraiths and is now jumping through time (and dimensions) to exact revenge?
Hunter didn't die, right?
At this point I have no idea anymore.
Hope it's future Barry, but it's anyone's game. -
Totemkauf — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 06:51 AM)
Who was the first speedster?
Who ever went back in time the farthest and became known = 'the first speedster'
If you think about though the fact that Garrick has heard of 'it' either means that there's at least two Savitars if not any number of, or that Savitar has not only been traveling through time but dimension hopping as well. -
Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 07:35 AM)
Oh, with Savitar's speed I have no doubts he can/could hop dimensions.
And good points about Jay knowing about Savitar and the 'first speedster'.
Do you know if Savitar was the legendary speed-god, or if a person named himself after that speed-god of legend.
Or just how Jay knew about Savitar, history books or via the Speed Force.
(I kinda forgot if this was mentioned, gonna rewatch this season again after it's done)
About the 'first speedster' thing: Yeah, unless Barry goes back into the Speed Force and the Speed Force tells him X was the very first one we gave speed, in our known history it would be the speedster that was first recorded.
Could be any time-traveling speedster in that case.
Still, I also think future Barry's message to Rip has something to do with it.
"Don't trust anything or anyone, even ME"
Guess I just hope it'll be future Barry.
(Also thought that about Zoom at first, blue suit, blue lightning, killing speedsters for their speed.. sounded like one of the Flash comics where future Barry became Blue Flash) -
Totemkauf — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 01:19 PM)
It's interesting that the concept of 'future Barry' also seems to have a big part of what's happening on Legends, but also the fact that the message was specifically for Rip makes me wonder if the fact that just about everyone found out about it during the crossover means that things are already going to change from whatever the future barry recording was talking about.
What I want to know is , are we supposed to assume that Rip hasn't actually already heard this recording? Presumably he would have deleted it if he had, but who knows. I mean what if this recording came from the 'original' 2024 disappearing Barry, he's fighting with Kendra and others from Legends, maybe he ended up traveling forward to the 2050's to see the results of whatever time meddling
he
did.
Since we finally got a glipse of presumably when and where Rip has been since the season began , we can assume after being reunited he's going to be informed about the message. Perhaps one of the first things he'll say is "I know, that's why I . " -
Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 01:37 PM)
Hmmm.. that is interesting.
With Barry's short trip to the future then seeing Iris and having a talk about it with Jay, I don't see future Barry checking the future to see what he did..
But.. Barry is Barry and learning from his mistakes isn't his best trait.
It is possible that he vanished in 2024 WITH the Legends to save the future.
Goes totally wrong, Barry is stuck in the future because he doesn't want to meddle with time anymore, but the Legends can still alter the timeline.
I think Rip did heard the message and that's part of why he's gone to the time where he is right now.
Rip probably didn't expect the Legends to find the hidden room.
I think Rip's making a movie about himself and the Legends in Barry's future and how the Legends can 'fix' it.
The entire movie will be a final message from Rip to the Legends and get released shortly before they have to take action.
Rip himself will not be back, I think. -
Totemkauf — 9 years ago(December 12, 2016 07:33 AM)
With Barry's short trip to the future then seeing Iris and having a talk about it with Jay, I don't see future Barry checking the future to see what he did..
that's just it , it's a different Barry. For all we know , 2024 disappearing Flash has no clue who the hell Jay Garrick is. We don't know if this 2056 or whenever recording Barry knows either, we really can't say yet.
In season 1 , a Flash from the future comes and fights Eobard , and saves kid Barry. In anger, Eobard lashes out at Barry's mom. Eobard then finds out he's stuck. What about the Flash that saved kid barry? We never see what happens to him, presumably he returned to the future.
It stands to reason that we might actually get a glipse or more of some iteration of a Future Barry on the show (this or Flash), and it may answer some of these questions. -
Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 13, 2016 04:04 AM)
Can be.
Talked about this with someone on here.
What is the first Speedster?
In "our" history books, it would be the speedster who traveled back in time the furthest and got recorded.
Could be anyone, even Wally or someone who doesn't even have his/her speed at this time, like Thawne who got his speed somewhere after the year 2150.
But I think that when they said: "Savitar was the first to get his speed", or something like that, they're talking about the first person who got their speed from the Speed Force.
And unless the Speed Force says something like: "the first one we gave speed is " We don't know.
Can't remember if Jay said "first recorded speedster.." or "first speedster..".
Wanna know more about what Jay knows about 'the first speedster' -
Nellyledge1 — 9 years ago(December 17, 2016 01:38 AM)
When Barry travelled back in time to imprison Eobard and save his parents, what if one of those 2 versions of Barry who's lives have changed is now future savitar that's angry with Barry for changing their timeline. Then after speed force years of being trapped in the continuum would have built up resentment and anger to new barry who is barry. If so that would make 2 potential Savitars resulting in both being able to redirect powers from Flash point but the first would have been there longer and grown more angry as he let his mum die for Barry to mess it up and trap him . Plus have people realised yet that Wally's suit is Eobards suit.
So yeah in my version, savitar is 2 beings. 1 who wants to give flash point powers which is flash point barry. 1 that is barry before flash point barry who's angrier as he has been trapped since before flash point and has been trapped longer.
My theory on who dies is Barry.
Creating a reason for season 4 to start the hunt for Barry. Where Barry's dissapeared from the future.
The one who betrays them all is Julian.
I don't trust Julian. If u look at when he hears savitar is gone he looks like he is thinking yeah ok then.
Maybe savitar planned for the box to be thrown into the speed force so that's how Savitar becomes more powerful. -
stephen-63895 — 9 years ago(December 17, 2016 03:47 AM)
someone made a good mention on one site on who betray who i think they said wally west would betray barry and Joe would suffer a fate far worse than death but that is what i read on one of the flash sites i read on comicbook.com i think it was can't remember
