Nolan should be ashamed of himself.
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WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 02, 2015 04:28 PM)
It's one mans opinion. Is it really bothering you that much?
It's no more ridiculous than the insanities that Hippo-douche posts. He just has a positive slant for the film, so you don't condescend to him?? -
WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 02, 2015 05:09 PM)
If that's your opinion, then fire away.
Then use your own idiotic logic to counter argue with yourself.
If Last Crusade was a financial success, and has a good IMDB scorethen it must be great, right? -
WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 02, 2015 05:19 PM)
It's your logicnot mine. I'm just forcing you to apply it consistently.
Personally, I think it's incredibly stupid. For starters, there's lots of movies that are pretty awful that not only gross insane amounts, but also double, triple, and even quadruple the box office amounts of movies that a majority of people would agree are better films. Being a financial success doesn't determine that a film is somehow superior to any other. By your logic, any film that out grossed TDKR is actually better than TDKR.
As for the IMDB score. Those can be manipulated by rabid obsessive fans who think that the IMDB score of their favorite movie somehow proves that it's one the best movies ever. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 02:15 PM)
Personally, I think it's incredibly stupid. For starters, there's lots of movies that are pretty awful that not only gross insane amounts, but also double, triple, and even quadruple the box office amounts of movies that a majority of people would agree are better films. Being a financial success doesn't determine that a film is somehow superior to any other.
In that case quit bitching every time I complain about Last Crusade. I mean it's a movie that had great box office numbers that many people seem to think is a good film but in reality it is "pretty awful". I mean afterall "being a financial success doesn't determine that a film is somehow superior to any other". Glad we've set that straight.
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WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 02:32 PM)
I've never once said anything about The Last Crusades box office. I honestly have no clue if it did well or was a financial success.
You're arguing in circles here, and projecting onto me like you need someone to debate you or something.
You simply used a set of logic that box office and IMDB determine which movie is better than another, and I'm simply forcing you to stick to it. If TDKR is deemed a great movie by your standards, then I would assume The Last Crusades would have to get some accolades or recognition from you. Otherwise, you're just further cementing your role as the hippo-crite -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 03:00 PM)
I haven't contradicted myself once. You throw a bunch of awards and box office numbers in my face yet when the data doesn't support your argument then all of a sudden it doesn't count. If there are plenty of movies that are terrible yet got great reviews and good box office numbers then you should NEVER be using that to further your pathetic excuse of an argument. It's also quite interesting how you once said that if the academy liked a movie and gave it Best Picture then that proves that it is a better film than one that didn't win best picture. By that logic you are 100% wrong to give Titanic and Platoon a 2 because the academy loved those movies.
So which is it? Do box office numbers and the academy prove which film is better? You can't have this both ways dickhead.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine -
WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 03:23 PM)
So let me get this straight:
You use box office and an IMDB score to justify that TDKR is great. I tell you to apply that to The Last Crusade (which you brought up by the way) and now you're deflecting away?? Suddenly this is about me?
Do I REALLY have you walk you by the hand with how I do my IMDB ratings AGAIN?? I mean seriously dude, this would be probably the 20th time we do this. Is your memory that awful or are you just selectively and willfully ignorant??
If there are plenty of movies that are terrible yet got great reviews and good box office numbers then you should NEVER be using that to further your pathetic excuse of an argument. [/quote
Whoa whoa whoa. Now you're bringing reviews into this? Are you still that butt hurt that people love Lord Of The Rings more than TDK trilogy?? Does it seep into every waking thought of yours?? Do we really need to do this again, cause this feels like you've got some pretty deep seeded resentments that are twisting this back into a certain direction. Are you that desperate for my attention that you'd try to start up a debate that you know I'll smash your face in again??
It's also quite interesting how you once said that if the academy liked a movie and gave it Best Picture then that proves that it is a better film than one that didn't win best picture. By that logic you are 100% wrong to give Titanic and Platoon a 2 because the academy loved those movies.
You're really all over the map here. First, you're trying to apply the logic that box office + IMDB score is a proper indicator of good movie vs bad movie. Then I force you to continue to apply it elsewhere and now you're attacking me because I used similar logic but actually used it properly??
I saida WHOLE BUNCH OF TIMES, that "LOTR is more universally loved and respected than TDK trilogy". Remember that? I hammered you over the head with it about a million times until you finally got it and decided to just stick by your own opinion. I never said that LOTR is BETTER, because it's completely idiotic to argue something that is entirely subjective like that. Sowhen a film crushes the box office, has great fan voting on sites like IMDB and RT, gets a great Metascore (not some average score in the 70s), and finds itself on the ballots and winning lots of awards, it's safe to say that it's more loved and respected than something that doesn't accomplish all those things. GET IT?? It doesn't mean that one is better than the other.
So which is it? Do box office numbers and the academy prove which film is better? You can't have this both ways dickhead.
Im not trying to have it both waysyou're simply being willfully ignorant and hoping that you can somehow find a flaw in my logic, even though we've already covered this ground over and over. So here we are, with me wiping the drool from your chin again, and having to repeat myself to you. Read the above paragraph again.
Those numbers, stats, and facts prove which film is more loved and respected. Each person gets to make up their own mind. Even you. Even me. So just because Titanic crushed the box office and was an Oscar darling, I'm still allowed to find it an over long bore fest. Doesn't mean that I'm not capable of recognizing it as a well made film. I simply don't like it. That's why it gets the low rating from me that it does. I watch movies to be entertained. The more I love a film, the more likely I am to watch it again. That's how I ratebut you already knew this because Ibe had to explain myself to you hundreds of times. One of these times it's gonna stick though. You do form rational thoughts from time to time, right?? -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 03:39 PM)
I can't believe you are too dumb to figure this out. The only reason I say the things I say is because I am trying to show you how incredibly frustrating it is trying to have an intelligent discussion with you. One minute you say that the academy dictates what films are better than others yet when the academy isn't aligned with your opinion all of a sudden it doesn't matter. You're a complete joke, you are a blatant hypocrite, I'm merely getting down on your level to show you how moronic you sound (and because it's damn entertaining). Whether TDKR is great or not is the OP's opinion, nothing more, nothing less, but to say that "Nolan should be ashamed of himself" is complete nonsense because his Batman trilogy is regarded as one of the greatest trilogies ever and it made the studio over 2 billion dollars. Clearly plenty of people enjoyed it.
LOTR is "universally loved"??? You'd think it would have won every single award and would have 100% on IMDB, RT and MC??? Clearly some people find flaws in it. I personally know plenty of people who HATE LOTR and I even gave you an example from my movie theater experience, the only reaction I ever heard from the audience was booing and that is when ROTK refused to end. By the way how do you justify the 7 endings yet they cut out Saruman's death scene for time??? Was that not the biggest slap in the face to the audience ever? I'm not deflecting I am seriously curious as to your opinion on this.
LOTR was big sh!t when it first came out but chances are it will fade into oblivion as it is really nothing more than a good movie to watch when you want to turn your brain off and have a little fun much like POTC and the Star Wars prequels. TDK however is really something special, it was better written, better acted, had the better story and is all around more intelligent.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine -
Harold_of_Whoa — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 04:16 PM)
LOTR was big sh!t when it first came out but chances are it will fade into oblivion as it is really nothing more than a good movie to watch when you want to turn your brain off and have a little fun much like POTC and the Star Wars prequels. TDK however is really something special, it was better written, better acted, had the better story and is all around more intelligent.
You should tell yourself that at least three times if you want to truly convince yourself. You are unlikely to convince anyone else.
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WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 05:03 PM)
He doesn't actually believe it. I don't know how anyone possibly could.
His problem is that hes a perfect storm of passion and low IQ, and he's so closely associated himself with TDK trilogy, that he can't bare to accept some simple truths. He's all in. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 04, 2015 02:16 PM)
OK then, tell me what is so deep and thought provoking about LOTR??? Does it have good special effects? Yes it does. Is the acting decent? Yes it is. Does it have any intelligent underlying theme or message? Not at all.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine -
WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 04, 2015 07:50 PM)
OK then, tell me what is so deep and thought provoking about LOTR??? Does it have good special effects? Yes it does. Is the acting decent? Yes it is. Does it have any intelligent underlying theme or message? Not at all.
AGAINwhat would be the point of me wasting my time? I could post pages upon pages to you, and for what? Just so you can dissect it by injecting your negative opinion onto all of it?
Would be as pointless as you telling me again all of the reasons that you think TDKR is intelligent.
Also, what the hell does intelligence have to do with entertainment? Just look at the entire package of films that you have ranked 10. How many actual intelligent films do you find in there?? -
justanicknamed — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 07:05 PM)
My wife watched the first LOTR but was just 'meh' about it.
That was more than how she was with TDK trilogy - because she wouldn't even watch it. She'd seen the first four movies and was like, "Ugh. They made more?"
IMO, TLOTR appeals to more people since more people have read those stories than have read Batman comic books for any length of time. TLOTR books are on reading lists in lots of schools and count towards student's Advanced Reading goals. Batman comics? Not so much. -
WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 04:37 PM)
I can't believe you are too dumb to figure this out. The only reason I say the things I say is because I am trying to show you how incredibly frustrating it is trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.
Wow. All new levels of pathetic for you. You realize that you popped onto someone else's thread and responded to them, right?? You weren't addressing me, and you're supposibly using cryptic messages to try to troll me?? Is that all this is?? The crap about box office and IMDB rating wasn't your thoughtful response to the OP, but just an attempt to hopefully get my attention? Good lordno I will not make out with you.
One minute you say that the academy dictates what films are better than others yet when the academy isn't aligned with your opinion all of a sudden it doesn't matter.
Ugh. Amazing that you STILL don't get this, and all you can do is twist my words. I knowI knowyou've got the biggest hard on for the Academy because they didn't like TDKR. Just DEAL WITH IT. They didn't like it. They're not the end all be all. You're still afforded your opinion. I don't know what you want from me?? To apologize that TDKR didn't grip their attention like LOTR did??
but to say that "Nolan should be ashamed of himself" is complete nonsense because his Batman trilogy is regarded as one of the greatest trilogies ever and it made the studio over 2 billion dollars. Clearly plenty of people enjoyed it.
SO WHAT!! It's just one dudes opinion. He thinks Nolan should be embarrassed. He's allowed an opinion same as you. It's certainly no less ridiculously than the insanity you post all over IMDB.
LOTR is "universally loved"??? You'd think it would have won every single award and would have 100% on IMDB, RT and MC??? Clearly some people find flaws in it.
And here we go again. You don't have a true argument, so you need to twist my words to find one. "LOTR is more universally loved and respected than TDKR". That's to say that they're actually both universally loved and respected, but just that LOTR is MORE. That's callec reading comprehension, it's your friend.
Secondly, even if I was to say that LOTR is universally loved (which you do get is a different statement altogether, right??), would that be all that far off?? Show me a film series that would be more qualifying of that statement.
By the way how do you justify the 7 endings yet they cut out Saruman's death scene for time??? Was that not the biggest slap in the face to the audience ever? I'm not deflecting I am seriously curious as to your opinion on this.
And what a futile effort that would be. You've got your opinion. Nothing will change it. I could post my own take, and if it didn't line with yours, you'd sh\t all over it, trying to prove that your subjective opinion is right and mine is wrong. I'll save us both a lot of time here and just move on.
LOTR was big sh!t when it first came out but chances are it will fade into oblivion as it is really nothing more than a good movie to watch when you want to turn your brain off and have a little fun much like POTC and the Star Wars prequels. TDK however is really something special, it was better written, better acted, had the better story and is all around more intelligent.
Seems to be holding up just fine to me. Still has a better metascore, IMDB score, and RT score than your cumilitive TDK trilogy.
More intelligent?? More intelligent than the entire world that Tolkien created?? He wrote entire new languages. These weren't just guttural sounds and gibberish. He actually created language out of nothing and it all works. He created millennials of history. His characters family trees were complete even over thousands of years. He built a world out of nothing, created maps, drew boundary lines between countries.
What did TDK trilogy do?? Use some heavy handed symbolism and con inved you how brilliant it is?? "Ohhhh my. The Dark Knight RISES!! Look at that everybody. Bruce was at his lowest, and he has to rise. OMG LOOKhe actually rises out of the pit too. Brilliant!!" F/cking idiot.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 04:54 PM)
So if I posted a thread that said "Peter Jackson should be ashamed of himself" (For ROTK) or "Steven Spielberg should be ashamed of himself" (for Last Crusade) would you defend me with the same passion that you are defending the OP? I highly doubt it you two faced hypocrite bitch.
I couldn't care less what the academy thinks, they don't dictate the opinions of billions of people, I know you think they do but they don't. Just because the academy liked a movie that in no way proves that it is somehow superior to another film. I know you believe this because you gave Platoon and Titanic horrible ratings and I would really be surprised if you preferred Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan or Forrest Gump over Pulp Fiction. Get the f-ck over it, the academy has gotten it wrong on countless occasions.
Saying Nolan should be ashamed is an idiotic comment, I know you don't like his films but they were very successful and got overwhelming praise from film critics, Deal with it bitch.
Show me a film series that would be more qualifying of that statement.
Star Wars and The Godfather. TDK would have better reviews if more people understood it. The series can't be universally acclaimed if some people don't like it and your own sources prove that some people don't like it.
So you aren't going to answer the question about Saruman's death, I'm just curious, were you let down at all that one of the greatest villains ever wasn't even given a proper sendoff??? They actually filmed a death scene that was pretty decent and it was cut for time!!! All they had to do was cut one of the bajillion endings or Arwen's stupid subplot.
There is nothing intelligent about the world that Tolkein created and either way we are not debating the books we are debating the movies. The LOTR books were 10X better than the movies. There is no underlying theme or symbolism in LOTR, its just a fun fantasy adventure about having to throw a piece of jewelry in a volcano. TDK is a complex, character driven story filled with symbolism. You keep picking up on something new every time you watch it and that is what I love about it. LOTR you get everything there is to get the first time you watch it, it doesn't reward the viewer with repeated viewings. Plus the action sequences in TDK are far more believable, LOTR's battle sequences were completely over the top and unrealistic. That doesn't make them bad, I actually loved the Battle of Helms Deep (Minas Tirith on the other hand was a massive let down).
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 03:13 PM)
spencer if you are actually trying to have a serious conversation with Wallace you are wasting your time, he saw the movie once, didn't understand it and now he is on a never-ending menstrual cycle where all he does is bitch and moan about it. Whether you like the movie or not Nolan did create quite possibly the greatest trilogy ever and has NOTHING to be ashamed of.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine