Nolan should be ashamed of himself.
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cremuslohe — 9 years ago(July 23, 2016 05:15 AM)
Remember, though, that DKR had this bizarre Republican/Right-Wing political BJ going on for it, because Nolan specifically chose to use Occupy-types as a villainous entity. It was hugely promoted as "hollywood finally getting it right" by people like Hannity, Limbaugh, etc.
It's not about the movie for a whole crapload of these people. It's about dedicating themselves to everything that panders to their biases as if their way of life was at stake.
Sounds pathetic as all hell, right? That's because it is.
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WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 02, 2015 03:31 PM)
Tell it to someone who cares
Right. How dare he post a negative opinion about the movie!!
If he was praising and worshipping it like the Hippo-crite, then you would be totally fine with it. Wouldn't have your snide comments to make. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 02, 2015 04:28 PM)
The OP can dislike the movie all he wants, that's his problem, but to imply that Nolan should be ashamed of making the 60th greatest movie of all time that made over a billion dollars and received universal praise is beyond moronic.
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WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 02, 2015 04:28 PM)
It's one mans opinion. Is it really bothering you that much?
It's no more ridiculous than the insanities that Hippo-douche posts. He just has a positive slant for the film, so you don't condescend to him?? -
WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 02, 2015 05:09 PM)
If that's your opinion, then fire away.
Then use your own idiotic logic to counter argue with yourself.
If Last Crusade was a financial success, and has a good IMDB scorethen it must be great, right? -
WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 02, 2015 05:19 PM)
It's your logicnot mine. I'm just forcing you to apply it consistently.
Personally, I think it's incredibly stupid. For starters, there's lots of movies that are pretty awful that not only gross insane amounts, but also double, triple, and even quadruple the box office amounts of movies that a majority of people would agree are better films. Being a financial success doesn't determine that a film is somehow superior to any other. By your logic, any film that out grossed TDKR is actually better than TDKR.
As for the IMDB score. Those can be manipulated by rabid obsessive fans who think that the IMDB score of their favorite movie somehow proves that it's one the best movies ever. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 02:15 PM)
Personally, I think it's incredibly stupid. For starters, there's lots of movies that are pretty awful that not only gross insane amounts, but also double, triple, and even quadruple the box office amounts of movies that a majority of people would agree are better films. Being a financial success doesn't determine that a film is somehow superior to any other.
In that case quit bitching every time I complain about Last Crusade. I mean it's a movie that had great box office numbers that many people seem to think is a good film but in reality it is "pretty awful". I mean afterall "being a financial success doesn't determine that a film is somehow superior to any other". Glad we've set that straight.
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WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 02:32 PM)
I've never once said anything about The Last Crusades box office. I honestly have no clue if it did well or was a financial success.
You're arguing in circles here, and projecting onto me like you need someone to debate you or something.
You simply used a set of logic that box office and IMDB determine which movie is better than another, and I'm simply forcing you to stick to it. If TDKR is deemed a great movie by your standards, then I would assume The Last Crusades would have to get some accolades or recognition from you. Otherwise, you're just further cementing your role as the hippo-crite -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 03:00 PM)
I haven't contradicted myself once. You throw a bunch of awards and box office numbers in my face yet when the data doesn't support your argument then all of a sudden it doesn't count. If there are plenty of movies that are terrible yet got great reviews and good box office numbers then you should NEVER be using that to further your pathetic excuse of an argument. It's also quite interesting how you once said that if the academy liked a movie and gave it Best Picture then that proves that it is a better film than one that didn't win best picture. By that logic you are 100% wrong to give Titanic and Platoon a 2 because the academy loved those movies.
So which is it? Do box office numbers and the academy prove which film is better? You can't have this both ways dickhead.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine -
WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 03:23 PM)
So let me get this straight:
You use box office and an IMDB score to justify that TDKR is great. I tell you to apply that to The Last Crusade (which you brought up by the way) and now you're deflecting away?? Suddenly this is about me?
Do I REALLY have you walk you by the hand with how I do my IMDB ratings AGAIN?? I mean seriously dude, this would be probably the 20th time we do this. Is your memory that awful or are you just selectively and willfully ignorant??
If there are plenty of movies that are terrible yet got great reviews and good box office numbers then you should NEVER be using that to further your pathetic excuse of an argument. [/quote
Whoa whoa whoa. Now you're bringing reviews into this? Are you still that butt hurt that people love Lord Of The Rings more than TDK trilogy?? Does it seep into every waking thought of yours?? Do we really need to do this again, cause this feels like you've got some pretty deep seeded resentments that are twisting this back into a certain direction. Are you that desperate for my attention that you'd try to start up a debate that you know I'll smash your face in again??
It's also quite interesting how you once said that if the academy liked a movie and gave it Best Picture then that proves that it is a better film than one that didn't win best picture. By that logic you are 100% wrong to give Titanic and Platoon a 2 because the academy loved those movies.
You're really all over the map here. First, you're trying to apply the logic that box office + IMDB score is a proper indicator of good movie vs bad movie. Then I force you to continue to apply it elsewhere and now you're attacking me because I used similar logic but actually used it properly??
I saida WHOLE BUNCH OF TIMES, that "LOTR is more universally loved and respected than TDK trilogy". Remember that? I hammered you over the head with it about a million times until you finally got it and decided to just stick by your own opinion. I never said that LOTR is BETTER, because it's completely idiotic to argue something that is entirely subjective like that. Sowhen a film crushes the box office, has great fan voting on sites like IMDB and RT, gets a great Metascore (not some average score in the 70s), and finds itself on the ballots and winning lots of awards, it's safe to say that it's more loved and respected than something that doesn't accomplish all those things. GET IT?? It doesn't mean that one is better than the other.
So which is it? Do box office numbers and the academy prove which film is better? You can't have this both ways dickhead.
Im not trying to have it both waysyou're simply being willfully ignorant and hoping that you can somehow find a flaw in my logic, even though we've already covered this ground over and over. So here we are, with me wiping the drool from your chin again, and having to repeat myself to you. Read the above paragraph again.
Those numbers, stats, and facts prove which film is more loved and respected. Each person gets to make up their own mind. Even you. Even me. So just because Titanic crushed the box office and was an Oscar darling, I'm still allowed to find it an over long bore fest. Doesn't mean that I'm not capable of recognizing it as a well made film. I simply don't like it. That's why it gets the low rating from me that it does. I watch movies to be entertained. The more I love a film, the more likely I am to watch it again. That's how I ratebut you already knew this because Ibe had to explain myself to you hundreds of times. One of these times it's gonna stick though. You do form rational thoughts from time to time, right?? -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 03:39 PM)
I can't believe you are too dumb to figure this out. The only reason I say the things I say is because I am trying to show you how incredibly frustrating it is trying to have an intelligent discussion with you. One minute you say that the academy dictates what films are better than others yet when the academy isn't aligned with your opinion all of a sudden it doesn't matter. You're a complete joke, you are a blatant hypocrite, I'm merely getting down on your level to show you how moronic you sound (and because it's damn entertaining). Whether TDKR is great or not is the OP's opinion, nothing more, nothing less, but to say that "Nolan should be ashamed of himself" is complete nonsense because his Batman trilogy is regarded as one of the greatest trilogies ever and it made the studio over 2 billion dollars. Clearly plenty of people enjoyed it.
LOTR is "universally loved"??? You'd think it would have won every single award and would have 100% on IMDB, RT and MC??? Clearly some people find flaws in it. I personally know plenty of people who HATE LOTR and I even gave you an example from my movie theater experience, the only reaction I ever heard from the audience was booing and that is when ROTK refused to end. By the way how do you justify the 7 endings yet they cut out Saruman's death scene for time??? Was that not the biggest slap in the face to the audience ever? I'm not deflecting I am seriously curious as to your opinion on this.
LOTR was big sh!t when it first came out but chances are it will fade into oblivion as it is really nothing more than a good movie to watch when you want to turn your brain off and have a little fun much like POTC and the Star Wars prequels. TDK however is really something special, it was better written, better acted, had the better story and is all around more intelligent.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine -
Harold_of_Whoa — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 04:16 PM)
LOTR was big sh!t when it first came out but chances are it will fade into oblivion as it is really nothing more than a good movie to watch when you want to turn your brain off and have a little fun much like POTC and the Star Wars prequels. TDK however is really something special, it was better written, better acted, had the better story and is all around more intelligent.
You should tell yourself that at least three times if you want to truly convince yourself. You are unlikely to convince anyone else.
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