How does mom plan to go back to…?
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(November 16, 2016 08:24 AM)
Here's my guess Rat. I think Mum will attempt to kill Chloe. If she succeeds, she'll assume that Lucifer will be so depressed that he'll want to go to Heaven. And God will then bring the whole family back into Heaven.
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litha-riddle — 9 years ago(November 16, 2016 11:03 AM)
I imagine Chloe would go to heaven if she died. Killing her would make Lucifer want to go to heaven to get her back.
Although I think god is still protecting chloe for Lucifer, that's why Uriel's patterns didn't kill her?
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Rat_lover — 9 years ago(November 16, 2016 11:34 AM)
I think god IS protecting her.
My theory, Chloe is nothing supernaturally special and God put this good-hearted person in Luci's path to change him. God knew Luci would meet her with Delilah's murder, and decided to make her immune to Lucifer's mojo and make him vulnerable, so that he would be intrigued and hang around her, and slowly change for the better. -
barbarawstuller — 9 years ago(November 16, 2016 03:44 PM)
Although I think god is still protecting chloe for Lucifer, that's why Uriel's patterns didn't kill her?
I had not thought of that. If that's the case, then He did not withdraw his favor and is okay with Mom being on earth probably. -
centrd — 9 years ago(November 29, 2016 08:04 PM)
God can take any form He wants. If they stick with canon, He can appear as any human He wants, as Lucifer himself, as a ball of light, or as "The Presence" which is what He really is.
Mom clearly is not as powerful a deity as Dad if He was able to strip her of her power and send her to Hell.
I mean God is the ONE TRUE GOD. No other God is at His level, although lesser Gods do exist, in the comic anyway.
"There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in" Leonard Cohen -
centrd — 9 years ago(November 29, 2016 08:32 PM)
They have changed
very few
things, and why speculate wildly when there's canon to go to first for clues? If they change it, so be it, but until they do, I'll stick with the backstory, which, by the way, is considered one of the best comics of all time. So as Lucifer would ask, "why mess with perfection?"
"There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in" Leonard Cohen -
Chris12955 — 9 years ago(November 29, 2016 08:43 PM)
They have changed
very
few things
I think Mom's inclusion is a rather huge change. Lucifer's physical appearance is different. Not to mention the whole solving crimes with the L.A.P.D.. Of course Chloe Decker, and various other characters are exclusive to this. Various other plot elements. So no, not very few things.
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centrd — 9 years ago(November 29, 2016 08:48 PM)
No, everything you've mentioned could have been written in future stories of the comic, so no changes in canon. EXCEPT for the birth order situation and hierarchical status. Mom is a big change, but even the comic could have gone there. Heck, the comic just gave Lucifer a son a few issues ago, and comic canon has always said the angels are all infertile except for Michael. So we have yet to learn how that was possible. The point being, none of the story lines in the show have contradicted the storylines of the comic or possible storylines. That's the nature of comic storytelling. Each new writer takes it in new directions. Heck, Lucifer even became a murder crime solver in the recent reprisal of the comic series, for a little while anyway. And hair color, that's nothing. It's not a serious change to the basic premise of the story. It's superficial.
"There is a crack in everything
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centrd — 9 years ago(November 29, 2016 08:43 PM)
Just to be clear, your assumptions are based on speculation and leaps in logic. There's no basis for assuming that God has the same kind of body as Charlotte. There's nothing in the show, or the comic, or religious canon to support that. It makes more sense to base our understanding of God on the known history, like the comic on which it's based or the Bible. And we know from both religious canon and comic canon that Lucifer's dad is the One True God. Not some lesser God. However, Charlotte can easily be a lesser God, but that's based on the comic only since there are no lesser or female gods in the Bible.
Now if the writers want to change that, great. But so far, all we've got evidence of is the history that's already there. Nothing in the show has indicated that Charlotte is as powerful as God, in fact, she's been shown to be just the opposite.
"There is a crack in everything
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litha-riddle — 9 years ago(November 30, 2016 04:53 AM)
I just realised that chloe being a miracle makes her divine. Only something divine can heal an angel. If Chloe had touched Lucifer's scars in Manly Whatnots she'd have healed his wings. Maybe that's how she learns the truth, they have sex and his wings grow back!
Thus she see's the angel side of him and not his devil face.
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rushmoras — 9 years ago(November 30, 2016 06:36 AM)
Um, I don't think that that what Amanadiel meant by saying she's a miracle child. In my opinion, Amanediel as per answering Chloe's parents prayer to help conceive, helped them to have a baby. Nothing more to it, however, it may also mean that she has some sort of grain of providence inside of her that Mum could use to get back to Heaven. And that would be one of several explanations why she is immune to Lucifer's charms.
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centrd — 9 years ago(November 30, 2016 10:57 AM)
I think you're right about Chloe's possible divinity, or at least her specialness of some sort. She seems to go beyond being just an answer to an infertile couple's prayer to have a child. Otherwise, the show wouldn't have made such a point of Amenadiel saying it was the ONLY time his father ever asked him to do anything like that (which is an extremely long time) and that the significance of the act made him feel like a pawn in something much bigger.
Whether Chloe can heal Lucifer or his wings, remains to be seen. So far, all we've seen is that he can be hurt because of her, even made mortal. Can she somehow control that and use it to heal him? If she can, it will be a plot twist. Personally, I think it would be great if she were the reason he got his wings back, but there's a lot of stuff that has to happen before I can see that happening.
I think Mom is just banking on Lucifer's love for her to be the means for her manipulations to work and get what she wants. What her plan is, I have no idea. Someone suggested she'd blackmail God to keep his secret about Chloe, but then, she clearly tells Maze that Chloe is special in the preview, so that theory is kind of shot. I have no idea how she plans to use that knowledge, other than possibly getting Chloe sent to Heaven, making Lucifer do anything within his power to get to Heaven, too. Especially if he believes she was taken unfairly. I could see him using or bartering Azrael's blade for a ticket to Heaven. Or something like that. Basically, that's still pretty much all I've got.
"There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in" Leonard Cohen -
lauraluv099 — 9 years ago(December 04, 2016 09:01 AM)
I agree that the fact that God sent Amenadiel personally to provide the miracle allowing Chloe to be conceived gives her some kind of divine grace. As people have pointed out, this was the only time in history his father ever asked Amenadiel to handle this himself. God had probably blessed many childless couples before. This situation was something special.
As to what God's plan is for Chloe, that still remains unclear. However, I believe she was intentionally given certain traits specifically in preparation for meeting Lucifer; resistance to his charms and his ability to get people to tell them their innermost desires, while at the same time also having the ability to see the good qualities in him and to believe in him.
What if God's intent in creating her was out of love for his angry, bitter son? Perhaps all He wants is for Lucifer to reconnect with others again; to find the goodness God knows is still inside him, and to let go of the hatred and find love and happiness. Chloe is the key to all of this; we are already seeing it happening. Perhaps Lucifer needed to be vulnerable in order to allow this to happen, which is why Chloe makes him mortal. After all, one of Lucifer's greatest epiphanies happened when he "died" to save Chloe.
As to how Mommy Dearest will use this to her advantage, I am still unsure. If she simply wanted Lucifer to follow Chloe to Heaven, then why not kill her? But in the previews, she is instead trying to push them together, and even tells Maze about Chloe. As we already know, Maze wants to go back to Hell, so I don't know why Mom would tell her. Mom also told Amenadiel that Chloe was the key to getting his wings back, and to getting both of them back to Heaven as well. I'm still thinking that one through. -
litha-riddle — 9 years ago(December 04, 2016 05:15 PM)
After another rewatch I realised something. Amenadiel didn't start to lose his powers until he tried to get rid of Lucifer's blood sample that would've led to Chloe learning the truth.
Maybe god wants her to know.
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centrd — 9 years ago(December 05, 2016 12:43 PM)
Hmmmgood observation.
The show, and DB, have characterized it as Amenadiel experiencing his own fall. But maybe it didn't actually start until it became clear that he had failed to learn his lesson from his previous interference, and God doesn't want him interfering with Chloe. So maybe that act of interference triggered the actual fall to begin. It basically strips him of his powers so he can't do a whole lot, other than continue to lie.
"There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in" Leonard Cohen -
litha-riddle — 9 years ago(December 05, 2016 01:11 PM)
Chloe is immune to Lucifer's powers, making her choice to love him be of her own free will. I can see her being immune to the fear his other face gives.
Her knowing the truth would show Lucifer that he is capable of being loved for himself. He so wants to be recognized as his own man that isn't evil. Chloe knowing the truth and loving him without influence I think would make him happy.
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centrd — 9 years ago(December 05, 2016 01:23 PM)
I'm sure that's true. I was so happy that they finally had Linda ask Lucifer why he wasn't showing his true face to Chloe. And the answer was because he's afraid of what she'd think of him. Because that's how important she is to him.
I really hope what Lauren said in that interview is true, that it looks like she's going to be figuring out who he is soon.
"There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in" Leonard Cohen