Let's break down the main characters (character arc analysis/discussion)
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Lin301 — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 01:40 AM)
i love this lex luthor because it shows what he is capable of with also showing his wackiness because that enthusiasm shows he can get away with so much which would probably explain the wackiness.
I had a strong feeling the wackiness was also due to his abusive and probably isolated upbringing. -
Flamboyant_Little_Devil — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 04:12 AM)
Batman :
though had some good moments, we didn't need watch his parents death for the 10000th time. His "Martha" shtick was awful. His reasoning ["even if there is 1% chance"] was illogical and laughable.
Superman:
Emo, Moaning, bad reporter [seriously, the dude didn't know who Batman is?], underpowered to give Batman the edge and also a murder. And let us not forget the fact that he can hear Lois from distances but not his mother when she is kidnapped. Laughable.
Lex Luthor:
dindingdingdingdingding of pseudo-philosophy Jolly Ranchers. Idiotic, embarrassing and needless.
Lois Lane:
desperate for suicide. Nuff said.
Wonder Woman:
No reason to be in the movie whatsoever.
Trollsday: yet another needless shtick and a far cry from the whole point of Doomsday.
Head-Shot-Jimmy:
Jimmy got head shot.
JL members trailers:
eye rolling moments
This is one of those lost opportunity movies that will never allow any other attempt to get things right. Way too many needless things thrown in just because. Way too much moodiness because someone had the bright idea that putting dark filters on a camera equals "mature" and "serious". Meanwhile CW had the basic premise and while it did the exact opposite [lightened mood, goofy at times] it was successful. -
OdumC — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 05:13 PM)
Snyder said there just wasn't room for Jimmy Olson in this universe, so he thought he'd have some fun with the character. and shoot him in the head.
a decades old Superman icon, and snyder thinks for fun, why not shoot him in the head.
Not kidding. google it.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
Gadget110 — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 05:47 PM)
..Are you beep serious ?!, wow see this is just another example of Snyder showing he hates "Superman", does not care about the source material, and needs to be booted out ASAP if DC ever hopes to make a great film in their connected universe.
That guy at the beginning of the film was way to old to be "Jimmy Olsen" and acted nothing like him the full 10-15 seconds he was on screen.
"Always two there are , a master and an apprentice" -
OdumC — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 05:58 PM)
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/batman-v-superman-zack-snyder-explains-why-he-killed-off-jimmy-olsen-a6954956.html
We just did it as this little aside because we had been tracking where we thought the movies were gonna go, he told EW. And we dont have room for Jimmy Olsen in our big pantheon of characters, but we can have fun with him, right?
Let's not mention they had room for Lombard the sleaze trolling the interns and Jenny the intern herself, but no room for a decades old staple in Superman lore
But Snyders idea of fun is shooting an iconic character in the head.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
Gadget110 — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 06:03 PM)
I have to ask this then, why DC fans are you not outraged and saying "beep you" to DC when they allow Snyder to wipe his ass with the source material like this ?
Marvel fans were not happy with IM 2 and 3 not being much better then just meeting the standard and Marvel stepped up their game seeing how the fans were not afraid to tell them exactly what they thought.
Do not let DC and Snyder walk up and down your asses, demand better, do not accept and support garbage just cause it's a DC hero.
"Always two there are , a master and an apprentice" -
OdumC — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 06:07 PM)
why DC fans are you not outraged and saying "beep you" to DC when they allow Snyder to wipe his ass with the source material like this ?
The real fans are.
And we're called trolls for doing so.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
heatvision38 — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 05:25 PM)
Batman
What I found really interesting about the Batman in this story, something I didnt notice at first, is that Batman seems to have two origin stories in the beginning. First, there is the death of his parents. But secondly; there is the arrival of Superman in Metropolis. In both cases, Bruce is left powerless in the face of forces greater than him, which is probably the reason Supermans existence is so troublesome to him; it represents that uncontrollable force capable of destroying everything Bruce loves. The story then begins 18 months later and the Batman we see is not necessarily the Batman he has always been, as shown among other ways by that one guys quote theres a new kind of mean in him, hes angry and hes hunting and Alfred who expresses his concerns to Bruce on multiple occasions, suggesting he is not what he used to be ("That's how it starts, sir, the fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel"). Later of course we find out that all of Batmans actions are aimed at getting the kryptonite to destroy Superman, apparently by any means necessary. In this context, Batmans whole journey throughout this movie is a story of childhood trauma and redemption, which then finally comes during the infamous Martha scene. Although I wasnt a fan of how the dialogue was written, I think the scene as a whole was a great way to show how Batman realizes what he had become and that Superman was not that uncontrollable force by which he was traumatized so much as a child. This brings me to the second character arc;
And this is further illustrated by one of Bruce's dreams. Some people think his dreams had no purpose, and this isn't true (ok, the Knightmare scene is more about the future of the franchise, but the others have relevance within this movie). The one where he is attacked by the bat creature, it's an illustration of how Batman is losing his conscience, his sense of purpose. On the surface, it still works as a sign of how damaged Bruce is in general, as it acts to show he has these nightmares and struggles with PTSD, that he's always thinking about his parents and their death, and that when he wakes up, there's pills and alcohol showing just how human and disturbed this version of Bruce is rather than the perfect Batgod that some people want to see.
But taking it further with regards to dream analysis, when dream Bruce walks into the mausoleum, you see that only his mother's name is shown, that his father's name is obscured by the flowers. Then Bruce, who is in full Bruce Wayne clothing, is attacked by a bat creature coming from his mother's tomb. Some people think this is something to do with the Manbat, but it's not. The dream represents Bruce's subconscious working through the fact that he is losing himself, who he is, what he's about. You have Bruce the man in front of his mother's tomb, his mother's name being the last thing he hears before his parents die, and then the bat creature, which represents the Bat part of Batman, Batman completely removed from the human Bruce, swallowing up the man. It shows deep down Bruce's fears that he is losing who he is, sort of like the line in Batman Begins when Alfred says, "You are losing yourself in this monster you have created." This dream shows that's what's going on with Bruce, that war of who he is, the Bat or the Man. By the time he fights with Superman, the Bat is winning, but it isn't until Clark begs for someone else's life, this being that Batman has set out to destroy (not kill, but destroy, according to Bruce's own words, which shows how he views Superman, as a thing, a creature, not a person), cares about someone more than himself. This along with Lois running in to tell Bruce Martha is his mother, snaps Batman out of his laser focused hunt of Superman these past two years, giving him a moment to reflect on what he's been doing, and then realizing Lex has been playing him all along. When Batman throws the K spear away, Bruce comes back, allowing him to be batMAN rather than BATman. -
MydnightRose — 9 years ago(December 04, 2016 11:44 AM)
Fantastic analysis and I even agree with some of your ideas about the weak character arcs especially when it comes to Lois. She had no real personality except 1. Reporter 2. Loves her boyfriend.
This is not helped by Amy being bland in the role.
I do feel this movies was a Superman film that featured Batman, but Superman was not given enough personality to capture the audience. They do his look and powers well, but something is lacking in the actual person.
I do think WW had a weak character arc but her role is essentially thr Black Widow role in IM2; just there to be hott and kick a$$. I do think her last lines about walking away from the world do help to give her some purpose. On the plain she wants to maintain her distance but she can't ignore what is going on and has to help.- BVS 2. TWS 3. Avengers
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Internet-Police — 9 years ago(December 05, 2016 09:09 AM)
Lex Luthor isn't Junior but his dad has always existed and was not portrayed as an evil mastermind, just a guy who doesn't give a crap about the impact his choices made on other people.
I wish this Lex wasn't played as a crazyman and a guy who only starting caring about Superman when he starting getting in the way of his plans.
Worst Lex ever, IMO.