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The Guardian AND James Olsen are ruining this show.

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    Educator07 — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 05:07 AM)

    Why would this show need a vigilante with no superpowers when Supergirl, J'onn, Mon-El (and sometimes Clark) all have powers and save people?
    Actually, these characters rarely save people. They spend the vast majority of their time fighting bad guys. Not saying that as a negative, soldiers have a purpose and allegedly keep the bad guys off our soil, but on a day to day basis they do not save lives.
    That's what the comics and the early Batman and Superman movies got right that these shows don't. Two or three times a season (typically when another mask shows up) we actually see Kara interact with people she's saved.
    James doesn't save people, he fights bad guys. The Flash, Arrow, and Supergirl pretty much fight bad guys at night outside or in abandoned buildings. If there are civilians, all they are doing is running away.
    I'd love to see an arc where Kara or James or Hank saves someone and they become obsessed with tracking them down. But that would cut down on fight time.
    I have no problem with Jimmy being the Guardian, but his motivation is wonky and he's not a hero. He needs to stop saying that.
    Where are the Asian characters DC CW? #MoreAsians

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      Educator07 — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 04:55 AM)

      Also the reason why Mon-El is kinda of a jerk, weak, and even though he exhibits some alpha male tendencies, is demasculated in scenes when Kara is around 😛
      Chris Wood is about 5'11. Far from an alpha male. The CW doesn't do alpha male. They hire a bunch of pretty boys in their 20s and 30s that cry every other episode and seem like they would be much more comfortable kissing guys than girls. Guarantee they all shave their chests.
      Chris Wood is a metrosexual, Mehcad too.
      Where are the Asian characters DC CW? #MoreAsians

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        peter-rushkin — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 11:50 AM)

        The only reason why he's on, is because "diversity".
        He should be axed. He was fine for season 1, now get rid of him.
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            aspiringwriter16 — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 07:32 PM)

            You say it's not a racism thing, but then you go off saying he SHOULD be white. Him being white and red-headed isn't vital to his character.
            I think I've seen more people complain about Jimmy Olsen being black than I have when they shot him in the head in the first ten minutes of Batman v Superman.
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              brailsford — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 08:00 PM)

              Yet they are using his looks and now deciding he needs to be a more prominent and imposing character, a vigilante, cause scaling back his character isn't an option (you know, like the character normally is, if it was a white red head, wouldn't be an issue at all)
              No point trying to show mercy to the stupid, they wouldn't know what to do with it anyway

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                DragonbradZ — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 08:15 PM)

                Let's be honest here:
                Nobody would of taken Ginger haired, freckled nerdy Jimmie Olsen becoming the Guardian lol
                And the show already ruined Jim Harper's story previously
                (the original Guardian in the comics)
                , so that rules him out
                unless they later go with the Jim Harper Cadmus enhanced clone: the "Golden Guardian" storyline, who had enhanced strength and reflexes, and an accelerated healing factor (which I doubt they'd do now but whatever lol)
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                  AdroKwix — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 10:22 PM)

                  It feels like they make these decisions based on the actors bitching about their roles. Mehcad Brooks probably asked for more action so they looked through the lore and found a character they could merge him with. They don't care if they butchered 4 storylines in the process.

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                    Educator07 — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 04:46 AM)

                    Mehcad Brooks probably asked for more action so they looked through the lore and found a character they could merge him with.
                    Pure speculation and a bit nonsensical since shows use stunt actors for the vast majority of action scenes especially the more interesting and complex ones.
                    Over time actors get to know their characters and give opinions on what they would and would not do (I.E. Soap operas where you can play a character over 20 years), but Mehcad had only been in the role a year.
                    Where are the Asian characters DC CW? #MoreAsians

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                      AdroKwix — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 05:24 AM)

                      I know that they use stunt actors, but giving his character more depth and interesting actions sequences, works better for the actor involved.

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                        AdroKwix — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 09:12 PM)

                        If you want to turn it into a racism thing, it's on you. I clearly stated it wasn't.

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                          aspiringwriter16 — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 09:30 PM)

                          You stating it's not a racism thing doesn't mean it isn't a racism thing. Especially if you follow up that statement with a comment about him needing to be white, despite the fact that isn't an important trait about his character.
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                            AdroKwix — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 09:37 PM)

                            Again, you are making it a racism thing. I simply stated a fact, in which the character has typicay been portrayed as a white male. I don't care if he's black, but the fact that he is black has impacted his personality and character on the show, which is what bothers a lot of people.

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                              Pumpyjones — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 10:00 PM)

                              How does his blackness impact his personality and character? I'm asking seriously, because Jimmy is written really blandly to me, and if they'd actually bothered to write him with a little more detail, like embracing his black heritage, he might actually be more interesting, IMO.

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                                AdroKwix — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 10:02 PM)

                                He is playing a black alpha-male. His blackness is subtle, but you can't deny he's playing the alpha-male role.

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                                  PaulG28 — 9 years ago(November 23, 2016 05:41 AM)

                                  James is not an alpha male..his entire season one arc was fear.

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                                    Educator07 — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 07:44 AM)

                                    When was he an alpha male? Not when he was answering Cat's phone. Not when Lucy's father belittled him. Not when Snapper embarrassed him in front of everyone. He's been shown to have no more sex appeal than Winn.
                                    He's a big guy, but until now and kicking butt, is in no way an alpha male.
                                    Where are the Asian characters DC CW? #MoreAsians

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                                      divefanatic — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 04:42 PM)

                                      James isn't an alpha male. He's an alpha male wannabe. He wants to be the hero even though hes not. The show would have been written better if they had this beta male learn how to embrace who he is (a sidekick) and be proud of it instead of turning him into something he was never meant to be.
                                      I hate James too and hope he gets killed off. Not only cause of the character but because he is the weakest actor on the show.
                                      More Chyler with supergirl scenes please. More of the white martian/red martian storyline. Less James, the Daximite, and love triangles/squares.

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                                        Educator07 — 9 years ago(November 28, 2016 04:20 AM)

                                        James is going nowhere. He's striving to better himself and he is going to be an alpha male superhero. I realize America has conditioned people to see whites as the heroes with people of color as sidekicks. Capt. America/Falcon. Iron Man/Iron Fist. Murtagh/Riggs.
                                        If it were Winn that was Guardian and James in a van, you guys would be jumping for joy.
                                        Where are the Asian characters DC CW? #MoreAsians

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                                          jakubmike — 9 years ago(November 28, 2016 04:26 AM)

                                          If it were Winn that was Guardian and James in a van, you guys would be jumping for joy.
                                          Winn? Mister "I got winded when I open the fridge" Winn? No way, people would laught at the very idea of Winn vigilante.
                                          He's striving to better himself and he is going to be an alpha male superhero.
                                          It's CW berlanti show, they don't do "Alpha male", the closest possibly was Arrow but even that show turned into drama rather quickly.

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