Sorry if this is sexist
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The_paranoid_android — 9 years ago(August 11, 2016 12:50 AM)
Firstly, the only people that actually hate this show are the very small group of racists and misogynists life losers.
Uh, that's not true and intellectually dishonest. I don't hate the series (Krysten Ritter, David Tennant, Mike Colter and most of the main cast are actors I like), but I do think that it's a massive missed opportunity for much better storytelling.
For me, it's kinda hard to say for the OP since I'm never going to want to watch Jessica Jones from the beginning to the end again. -
Frankenstyle — 9 years ago(September 26, 2016 10:02 AM)
Firstly, the only people that actually hate this show are the very small group of racists and misogynists life losers.
Well that's a convenient myth for you to claim the high road with. But the show is bad in spite of a strong female lead and not because of it. Sexism isn't necessary to recognize the shows glaring flaws. It was great until episode 7, and then it all falls apart. Characters begin behaving erratically to serve the plot rather than having their actions drive the plot. Internal logic falls apart. In one episode they are shown to understand Kilgrave's power, later they a mystified by them, and then in a later episode they discover how his powers work, in spite of what they were shown to know previously.
The action scenes look like the cheesy fights from the old bionic man series, and the heroes strengths operate on a siding scale based on whatever is needed in the moment. The villain is captured and cornered so many times you have to wonder why exactly he's a threat. The heroes let him escape so many times you have to wonder why they should be considered heroes. For crying out loudat on point the entire story lurches forward because a character shares the fact that he's an accessory to murder by decreeing so in a crowded bar, and getting all "Oops faced" when (Surprise!) he's overheard.
So I don't hate the show because "misogyny". I hate the show because it managed to do everything mostly right for six episodes, and then snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in an avalanche of embarrassingly bad decisions.
*But Luke Cage is still great, and I'm really looking forward to the 30th.
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satterthm — 9 years ago(October 28, 2016 05:57 PM)
You did not understand the point OP was making. We're talking about people who
hate
the show for obvious reasons, not the people who are sort of interested in the show but point out flaws in the actual content of the story. There's a difference between watching a show and critiquing its artistic choices (you) and having an obsessive, creepy, overly dramatic
hatred
for the show because it has a female lead and its about women's experiences. You're not a misogynist if you watch the show and critique it but you are a misogynist if you hate the show and come online to write about how you feel threatened by women-centric stories.
What you're describing to me is not "hate" at all. Hate is a very strong word and if your problem with the show was its structure, pacing, acting, etc. then you are not the the latter. -
djseizurefacebook — 9 years ago(August 10, 2016 01:09 AM)
Loved it. Was better than her comic book counter part. Her backstory was that she tried the super hero gig but didn't work out for her. Future is that she is going to be in the Defenders even tho she was never in the Defenders in the comics but she was part of Avengers. Honestly what got me was that I got to see Jessica Jones pop out from the comics to the screen.
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TheSteve239 — 9 years ago(August 10, 2016 07:21 PM)
Thanks for the responses, I finished the series a couple days ago. I enjoyed it quite a bit, way more than I thought I would. Ritter was actually really good in it, Kilgrave cracked me up, although evil, the things he made people do were very funny to me, like when he got annoyed by the one guy and told him to go across the street and stare at the fence forever. I was glad to see Luke cage was in it a bunch and like when him and Jones teamed up. I'm glad I watched it
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moi_craxy — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 02:32 AM)
toxic masculinity ? WHAT !
There is no such thing ! the villains were beep who had mental issues they do not represent men !
Just because a series tackles an issue faced by women doesn't mean only women can watch it ! men should know about these issues too
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andrewrrrr — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 06:37 AM)
Toxic masculinity is when men get socialized into negative behaviour that society describes as "masculine" like being aggressive and violent and entitled, it doesn't describe all men of course but unfortunately it describes some men who women commonly run into and interact with.
It's been a while since I've seen it but the way I remember it, the main villain was a rapist who kept telling women to "smile" and the secondary villain was a jerk who kept talking over her and diminishing her ideas and "mansplaining" to her. They were written to be villains that women would relate to. I guess female stalkers and creeps exist but honestly they're pretty unheard of, women don't typically do these sort of entitled and domineering behaviours to men and men don't typically deal with women like that and if they did, it wouldn't feel threatening. -
liv911 — 9 years ago(November 03, 2016 09:52 AM)
Toxic masculinity is when men get socialized into negative behaviour that society describes as "masculine" like
being aggressive and violent and entitled
hahahhahaha lol, agressive, violent and entitled are basically every villain. Kinda unrealistic to have expectations that the villains won't posess those qualities and i wouldn't say that's toxic masculinty
stalkers and creep are not unheard of btw, (everyone knows a rapevictim, no one knows a rapist right?) i think all women get sexually harrassed at one point or another in their lives based on my own experience and my friends experiences and we're not even 20 yet.
edit: sorry didn't see you had writted female stalkers and creeps as in girl stalkers, i thought you said stalkers and creeps who harrass girls. But yeah my point is basically, that just becuase this a show about a girl that has been a victim to something that almost only girls experience, doesn't mean it's geared towards girls. That would be like saying the godfather is geared towards people in the maffia and lord of the rings is geared towards hobbits.
Honestly it's weird you don't see "toxic masculinity" portrayed in every movie cause it's certainly a part of every woman's day to day
waitright it's because the filmindustry is a boysclub with a bunch of men who hire their friends. Films typically never show women's day to day, instead they show men's stories.
It's sad cause film is a way to share stories and broaden peoples understanding of one another. When all the people who get to "create" are men, of course boys growing up watching those stories aren't going to understand women the same way they have an understanding of men (because the male perspective is always shared more) . I wouldn't call the villains in this "typical toxic masculinity characters" they're just beep phsycopath beep But even if they were, would that be such a bad thing? by getting that on screen more people may finally understand the type of behaviours that a patriarchy creates. -
derrick-beaumont — 9 years ago(November 03, 2016 12:20 PM)
But yeah my point is basically, that just becuase this a show about a girl that has been a victim to something that almost only girls experience, doesn't mean it's geared towards girls. That would be like saying the godfather is geared towards people in the maffia and lord of the rings is geared towards hobbits.
Slow clap well said my friend, well said.
It would make more sense that if you had a female perspective of an issue that you would want to share/express it with males. As telling it to people who already understand it (females) would be a waste of time even thinking of it as a "message".
Who wants to spend time and resources teaching people things they already know?
This show is geared towards men. It's just some women have jumped onto it as it appeals to their "victimhood" nature and therefore makes it feel "real" to them.
But then I guess most women seem to ignore the abusive women in the show as their focus is Jessica being a victim rather than the entire show.- Woman trained to prevent victimhood and even fights a man on the same level (performance enhancing drugs) and wins (Trish Patsy Walker)
- Controlling female abuser (Jeri Hogarth)
- Abusive mother (Dorothy Walker)
Vs the point of one abusive guy? Clearly this was to teach men about women of different types and how even if you didn't realise, there is a chance you could have raped someone unknowingly (Mainly those situations with bold men and indecisive/feeling pressured women).
But the most impactful moment of this show really was when Kilgrave uses his ability on the nosy neighbour. In that moment despite everything Jessica Jones lets down her guard and really shows you how confusing women can appear to be.
And I know it's not like she wanted to sleep with Kilgrave or anything but it was a sincere moment of understanding she felt with her rapist. And following that she even tried to make him "good".
I think this is more for men to understand how fickle women can be (even towards their rapist) and understanding the different types of women out there (Victim/fighter/abuser/controller).
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anythingbutthatoldone — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 05:25 PM)
Myself personally, I have no affection for superhero movies. I think they're retarded concepts created by weak people to substitute for them being weak-assed losers their whole life. But my kids like them, so of course I suffer through them. The Avengers movie was entertaining, and this series kind of picks up a short time after the events in that movie. I could be mistaken, no one cares really It's kind of interesting to see how quasi-normal people would respond to all of these "perfect" superhero assclowns tearing up their world. IMO not enough attention was spent on it.
To sum up, It's a different perspective. I wouldn't buy a ticket to see it, but I'll watch it on Netflix. Til I stop paying them, lol. -
anythingbutthatoldone — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 05:41 PM)
Myself personally, I have no affection for superhero movies. I think they're retarded concepts created by weak people to substitute for them being weak-assed losers their whole life. But my kids like them, so of course I suffer through them. The Avengers movie was entertaining, and this series kind of picks up a short time after the events in that movie. I could be mistaken, no one cares really It's kind of interesting to see how quasi-normal people would respond to all of these "perfect" superhero assclowns tearing up their world. IMO not enough attention was spent on it.
To sum up, It's a different perspective. I wouldn't buy a ticket to see it, but I'll watch it on Netflix. Til I stop paying them, lol.
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