3 stupid questions about "who would stop Superman if he became bad"
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mddwbsst — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 08:53 AM)
In the movie, if that was the logic and reason for assembling the team then the people making the movie would have stated this idea instead of making it "implied," as you'd like to think it's supposed to be for some team.
The movie did state that idea, and they were outright given a demonstration.
even more, what "covert mission" are they even shown doing in the movie
Well their is when Waller uses the Enchantress to steal the Iran military secrets at the beginning.- do you mean the one where they are helicoptered into the center of a major US city with a US military escort assigned to them? You know, the mission where some random citizen looking out the window would have caught all this on their cell phone and posted it to YouTube do you mean THAT "covert mission?"
Right cause hundreds of people look out the of the window of cities that have been abandoned and are being covered up as a chemical attack by terrorists?
Nothing covert about that at all.
- do you mean the one where they are helicoptered into the center of a major US city with a US military escort assigned to them? You know, the mission where some random citizen looking out the window would have caught all this on their cell phone and posted it to YouTube do you mean THAT "covert mission?"
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TRinzler — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 10:22 AM)
It's not a movie to question. It's just fun.
If this was a standalone this would be fine but SS is supposed to exist within the DCCU which means that what happens needs to make sense within the broader context of MoS, BvS and JL except it doesn't. EPIC FAIL.
Perhaps WB should stick to make standalone CBH films after all -
DethstruXioN — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 11:08 AM)
All of this depends on Superman wanting to stay on Earth, he might as well decide to live on Mars, or throw some asteroids towards Earth, or push the Moon onto Earth?
He should be beyond fighting, he should be able to do a Hulk and tear Gotham off the face of the Earth, if he really went psycho, then he shouldnt be weak towards attacks from Earthbound forces.
Unless the hero/badguy tech scales up massively with Superman's actions, otherwise it is no match, Superman is only held back because of his loyalty to mankind, all they could hope for is some miracle, a lapse in his concentration and serve him some Krypto-cookies.
You would need to move up to Galactus and Apocalypse caliber opponents, but even they get beaten easily by whatever team that plays the hero.
David will always beat Goliath i guess.
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bcjester — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 11:16 AM)
Where were the REAL (DC) superheroes when all of this catastrophe was happening? Where was Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman?
Likely tending to their own issues. That's kind of why they aren't always in every comic that has some sort of world ending problem coming up, and this is in fact a comic book movie. So There is that.
And what did the Enchantress want? Just to conquer the world? Becauseshe's bad?
Her and her brother were once treated as Gods, then they were tricked and sealed into those totems (which is explained in the movie by the way) humans now worship "machines." . So she created a "machine" to destroy them and put them in their place to bow beneath her. Not just because she was "evil" chick was a scorned god, and a woman scorned at that. None of that is a good thing to have against you.
And last, so a big city is getting destroyed, andwhat does the government do?? Why don't they throw a bomb to thatbeam of light, whatever it was?? You know, like the one that Croc threw!! But a bigger one, and from an F-16 or whatever. But no, the solution is: SEND HARLEY QUINN!!
No idea what the outcome of that would be. Could have made things worse, and they sent a disposable clean up crew. On top of that Waller a government official was there. So they'd have to cover up why she was there and why they were okay with bombing the crap out of her to get rid of this event. Croc didn't throw a bomb, that literally never happened.
Honestly I'd send Harley Quinn too, if the chick dies in combat or just in general on the mission she's gone. You're not held accountable for it so Joker wouldn't target you. He'd target who killed her. Your hands are clean. I'd send her on every mission to TRY to get her ass killed.
I've baited my hook with my own underwear. Is it wrong that I hope to catch a fish I can relate to?-Ragdoll. -
impaler69 — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 12:19 PM)
Where were the REAL (DC) superheroes when all of this catastrophe was happening?
This is the problem with end-of-the-world plots in shared universes. If you don't send in the A-team, then people will wonder what the hell they were doing.
And there's another problem: the world-ending threat gets overused. Three DCU movies and each one has a villain threatening to destroy the world. Man of Steel, I understand. In BvS it felt tacked-on. In Suicide Squad it's just plain unnecessary.
Just think about what kind of mission warrants sending in a team of criminals. Criminals are expendable and unreliable. So, the mission should be too dangerous (or illegal) to send in a regular team, but the stakes can't be so high that failure is catastrophic. That's why the end-of-the-world scenario doesn't work.
I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people. -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 04:15 PM)
impaler69
Criminals are expendable and unreliable. So, the mission should be too dangerous (or illegal) to send in a regular team, but the stakes can't be so high that failure is catastrophic. That's why the end-of-the-world scenario doesn't work.
Exactly. This team should be sent to a smaller kind of conflict, a dirty government job that no super hero would want to do. Not to save the world.
And yes, this saving the world thing has gotten beyond repetitive. In EVERY beep super hero movie, the heroes save the world (or at least a big city) at the end. That's why "Captain America 3" was different, because it was the only super hero movie that didn't have that crap. But, it had another kind of crap, that they were fighting each other trying towhat? Kill each other? Seriously, what did they want to do? Was Iron Man trying to KILL Captain, and vice versa? Or just kick his ass, to teach him a lesson? If you fight someone, you either fight to kill him because he's a threat to you, or to just kick his ass because he insulted you or whatever. So what was Iron Man's team trying to do with Cap's team?
In the old super heroes movies, and well, they weren't so many, just Batman and Superman, you can say that they were not that impressive or they were naive or whatever, but you didn't have so many stupid questions about them. For example, Burton's "Batman", 1989. I don't have any questions about it. It was Joker, a crazy bad guy, who was trying to take over Gotham City (as far as I remember), and Batman was trying to stop him. Simple as that! Good guy vs. bad guy! And in "Batman Returns", kind of the same. Even in Sam Raimi's "Spider-Man", it had a simple story that made sense. It wasn't a masterpiece, but you didn't have any questions about it.
And now, with every one if these new movies, everyone asks questions about every scene, because the people who make them want to put more and more stuff in them, and the movies become a beep mess. What happened to good old "Good guy vs. Bad guy" movies? With a nice romance story on the side, and a few supporting characters who had reason for existence? What happened to simplicity? Sometime it works (like the first "Avengers", the only one of these movies that I really enjoyed, mainly because it was funny and the chemistry between them worked), but most of the times it's a mess. BvS could be as simple as that, Just Batman Vs Superman. No Wonder Woman, no Doomsday, and Luthor could have a smaller part. There is a wise expression that says "less is more". -
BrotherZed — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 09:08 PM)
Exactly. This team should be sent to a smaller kind of conflict, a dirty government job that no super hero would want to do. Not to save the world.
And yes, this saving the world thing has gotten beyond repetitive. In EVERY beep super hero movie, the heroes save the world (or at least a big city) at the end. That's why "Captain America 3" was different, because it was the only super hero movie that didn't have that crap. But, it had another kind of crap, that they were fighting each other trying towhat? Kill each other? Seriously, what did they want to do?
Was Iron Man trying to KILL Captain, and vice versa? Or just kick his ass, to teach him a lesson? If you fight someone, you either fight to kill him because he's a threat to you, or to just kick his ass because he insulted you or whatever. So what was Iron Man's team trying to do with Cap's team?
In the old super heroes movies, and well, they weren't so many, just Batman and Superman, you can say that they were not that impressive or they were naive or whatever, but you didn't have so many stupid questions about them. For example, Burton's "Batman", 1989. I don't have any questions about it. It was Joker, a crazy bad guy, who was trying to take over Gotham City (as far as I remember), and Batman was trying to stop him. Simple as that! Good guy vs. bad guy! And in "Batman Returns", kind of the same. Even in Sam Raimi's "Spider-Man", it had a simple story that made sense. It wasn't a masterpiece, but you didn't have any questions about it.
And now, with every one if these new movies, everyone asks questions about every scene, because the people who make them want to put more and more stuff in them, and the movies become a beep mess. What happened to good old "Good guy vs. Bad guy" movies? With a nice romance story on the side, and a few supporting characters who had reason for existence? What happened to simplicity? Sometime it works (like the first "Avengers", the only one of these movies that I really enjoyed, mainly because it was funny and the chemistry between them worked), but most of the times it's a mess. BvS could be as simple as that, Just Batman Vs Superman. No Wonder Woman, no Doomsday, and Luthor could have a smaller part. There is a wise expression that says "less is more".
Did you even watch the movie? It was all explained, fairly clearly. -
Kyos — 9 years ago(September 01, 2016 04:30 AM)
But, it had another kind of crap, that they were fighting each other trying towhat? Kill each other? Seriously, what did they want to do? Was Iron Man trying to KILL Captain, and vice versa? Or just kick his ass, to teach him a lesson? If you fight someone, you either fight to kill him because he's a threat to you, or to just kick his ass because he insulted you or whatever. So what was Iron Man's team trying to do with Cap's team?
I've grown a little tired of explaining these obvious things, so I'll allow myself to resort to saying: watch the movie or read a summary. -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 9 years ago(September 02, 2016 09:12 AM)
I've grown a little tired of explaining these obvious things
Who asked you?
Ok, I'm asking you now. Did Iron Man want Captain dead, or just to kick his ass to teach him a lesson? It's a simple question. -
TRinzler — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 11:48 AM)
And yes, this saving the world thing has gotten beyond repetitive. In EVERY beep super hero movie, the heroes save the world (or at least a big city) at the end.
So much THIS. The only people saving the world should be the JL and perhaps Superman. ENDOFLINE. -
jerlot65 — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 02:38 PM)
I find the questions funny. All were explained in the movie.
So get the dact that the movie wasn't cut well and was a but confusing. But if u pay attention it makes more sense then people make it out to be.
Most people already answered the questions you asked. But I think one was not answered suffciently.
The actual suicide squad was not sent in to take care of the trash ring.in the sky..it was to.extradite Waller. After that they would have tried bombing the city or something.
The only reason the ss went after enchantress is because she kidnapped waller and they had no hope of finishing their "deal" -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 04:29 PM)
jerlot65
Did the movie explain to us what would have happened to the world if this bunch of criminals never got out of jail? Did the movie tell us that the U.S. army is useless against that witch chick and her brother? In situations like this, usually, the president of the country takes some action. Why don't we ever see the president in these movies say something, do something? We see the president in ALL other catastrophe movies (ID4, Deep Impact, etc.), but never in super heroes movies. It's like the government doesn't exist.
"Mr. President, a witch is in the middle of Midway city and destroys s**t! What should we do??"
"What?? beep that, man, I'm outta here!"
Are you telling me that a few missiles from some F-16s wouldn't have finished the job? And Harley Quinn and a human crocodile did? The Avengers at least do something. Hulk is a huge beast that can jump 1 mile away and destroy whatever he wants, Iron Man can fly and do his stuff, Thor too, and Captain canwhatever, he has a super shield. Suicide Squad is a bunch of nobodys who can just do human stuff, and they can do the job that the army of the most powerful nation in the world can't do? -
TRinzler — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 11:58 AM)
We see the president in ALL other catastrophe movies (ID4, Deep Impact, etc.), but never in super heroes movies.
He was present in BvS, just offscreen. Also the "World Council" in Avengers takes the place of the POTUS because SHIELD is an international organisation and hence so is the Avengers initiative. -
Hassan_Scarborough — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 07:33 PM)
Waller stated that Superman was good and the question posed was what if someone like him showed up.
Waller simply wanted a team she could control who were metahumans.
If Enchantress could be controlled(something Waller thought was possible) then she could easily stop Superman.
Harley is an intelligent doctor who could assess the Justice League. When she's in her right mind of course.
El Diablo could have been a match for weaker League member.
And Deadshot can take out any League member that wasn't bullet proof.
The main point was if they failed or died, no one would care. -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 11:42 PM)
Waller stated that Superman was good and the question posed was what if someone like him showed up.
I don't remember how they say it in the movie, but according to this trailer, they say Superman, not someone like him: -
Hassan_Scarborough — 9 years ago(August 31, 2016 01:34 AM)
You wrote that Waller stated that and in the trailer it's a high ranking official, not her.
She makes a statement as she walks from the table. That's not in that trailer.
You need to watch that film again. -
TRinzler — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 07:20 PM)
Yeah, but they only needed The Enchantress for that.
Deadshot is a merc so I can see them "hiring" him and Diablo is basically a good guy anyway but Slipknot, Killer Croc and Captain Boomerang? Really? Also, Harley is a loose cannon (too unpredictable to be trustworthy who is eventually going to attract the attention of Mr J).
Most of them are more effort than they're worth - unless of course, they're being used for illegal blackops missions that nobody knows and only Waller cares about. -
Because_Im-Batman — 9 years ago(September 01, 2016 05:26 AM)
Nobody would stop Superman, his deal is that he is limitless.
I mean, I'm Batman, I eat Chuck Norris, Goku and Saitama for breakfast, and I could stop Superman, but i wouldn't because he's my friend.
But besides me, there is nothing that could stop him, creating a Suicide Squad for that purpose is dumb.
"Knock knock Who's there? Beak Beak who?
Because I'm Batman!"