3 stupid questions about "who would stop Superman if he became bad"
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Dreamcatcher9000 — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 04:15 PM)
impaler69
Criminals are expendable and unreliable. So, the mission should be too dangerous (or illegal) to send in a regular team, but the stakes can't be so high that failure is catastrophic. That's why the end-of-the-world scenario doesn't work.
Exactly. This team should be sent to a smaller kind of conflict, a dirty government job that no super hero would want to do. Not to save the world.
And yes, this saving the world thing has gotten beyond repetitive. In EVERY beep super hero movie, the heroes save the world (or at least a big city) at the end. That's why "Captain America 3" was different, because it was the only super hero movie that didn't have that crap. But, it had another kind of crap, that they were fighting each other trying towhat? Kill each other? Seriously, what did they want to do? Was Iron Man trying to KILL Captain, and vice versa? Or just kick his ass, to teach him a lesson? If you fight someone, you either fight to kill him because he's a threat to you, or to just kick his ass because he insulted you or whatever. So what was Iron Man's team trying to do with Cap's team?
In the old super heroes movies, and well, they weren't so many, just Batman and Superman, you can say that they were not that impressive or they were naive or whatever, but you didn't have so many stupid questions about them. For example, Burton's "Batman", 1989. I don't have any questions about it. It was Joker, a crazy bad guy, who was trying to take over Gotham City (as far as I remember), and Batman was trying to stop him. Simple as that! Good guy vs. bad guy! And in "Batman Returns", kind of the same. Even in Sam Raimi's "Spider-Man", it had a simple story that made sense. It wasn't a masterpiece, but you didn't have any questions about it.
And now, with every one if these new movies, everyone asks questions about every scene, because the people who make them want to put more and more stuff in them, and the movies become a beep mess. What happened to good old "Good guy vs. Bad guy" movies? With a nice romance story on the side, and a few supporting characters who had reason for existence? What happened to simplicity? Sometime it works (like the first "Avengers", the only one of these movies that I really enjoyed, mainly because it was funny and the chemistry between them worked), but most of the times it's a mess. BvS could be as simple as that, Just Batman Vs Superman. No Wonder Woman, no Doomsday, and Luthor could have a smaller part. There is a wise expression that says "less is more". -
BrotherZed — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 09:08 PM)
Exactly. This team should be sent to a smaller kind of conflict, a dirty government job that no super hero would want to do. Not to save the world.
And yes, this saving the world thing has gotten beyond repetitive. In EVERY beep super hero movie, the heroes save the world (or at least a big city) at the end. That's why "Captain America 3" was different, because it was the only super hero movie that didn't have that crap. But, it had another kind of crap, that they were fighting each other trying towhat? Kill each other? Seriously, what did they want to do?
Was Iron Man trying to KILL Captain, and vice versa? Or just kick his ass, to teach him a lesson? If you fight someone, you either fight to kill him because he's a threat to you, or to just kick his ass because he insulted you or whatever. So what was Iron Man's team trying to do with Cap's team?
In the old super heroes movies, and well, they weren't so many, just Batman and Superman, you can say that they were not that impressive or they were naive or whatever, but you didn't have so many stupid questions about them. For example, Burton's "Batman", 1989. I don't have any questions about it. It was Joker, a crazy bad guy, who was trying to take over Gotham City (as far as I remember), and Batman was trying to stop him. Simple as that! Good guy vs. bad guy! And in "Batman Returns", kind of the same. Even in Sam Raimi's "Spider-Man", it had a simple story that made sense. It wasn't a masterpiece, but you didn't have any questions about it.
And now, with every one if these new movies, everyone asks questions about every scene, because the people who make them want to put more and more stuff in them, and the movies become a beep mess. What happened to good old "Good guy vs. Bad guy" movies? With a nice romance story on the side, and a few supporting characters who had reason for existence? What happened to simplicity? Sometime it works (like the first "Avengers", the only one of these movies that I really enjoyed, mainly because it was funny and the chemistry between them worked), but most of the times it's a mess. BvS could be as simple as that, Just Batman Vs Superman. No Wonder Woman, no Doomsday, and Luthor could have a smaller part. There is a wise expression that says "less is more".
Did you even watch the movie? It was all explained, fairly clearly. -
Kyos — 9 years ago(September 01, 2016 04:30 AM)
But, it had another kind of crap, that they were fighting each other trying towhat? Kill each other? Seriously, what did they want to do? Was Iron Man trying to KILL Captain, and vice versa? Or just kick his ass, to teach him a lesson? If you fight someone, you either fight to kill him because he's a threat to you, or to just kick his ass because he insulted you or whatever. So what was Iron Man's team trying to do with Cap's team?
I've grown a little tired of explaining these obvious things, so I'll allow myself to resort to saying: watch the movie or read a summary. -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 9 years ago(September 02, 2016 09:12 AM)
I've grown a little tired of explaining these obvious things
Who asked you?
Ok, I'm asking you now. Did Iron Man want Captain dead, or just to kick his ass to teach him a lesson? It's a simple question. -
TRinzler — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 11:48 AM)
And yes, this saving the world thing has gotten beyond repetitive. In EVERY beep super hero movie, the heroes save the world (or at least a big city) at the end.
So much THIS. The only people saving the world should be the JL and perhaps Superman. ENDOFLINE. -
jerlot65 — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 02:38 PM)
I find the questions funny. All were explained in the movie.
So get the dact that the movie wasn't cut well and was a but confusing. But if u pay attention it makes more sense then people make it out to be.
Most people already answered the questions you asked. But I think one was not answered suffciently.
The actual suicide squad was not sent in to take care of the trash ring.in the sky..it was to.extradite Waller. After that they would have tried bombing the city or something.
The only reason the ss went after enchantress is because she kidnapped waller and they had no hope of finishing their "deal" -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 04:29 PM)
jerlot65
Did the movie explain to us what would have happened to the world if this bunch of criminals never got out of jail? Did the movie tell us that the U.S. army is useless against that witch chick and her brother? In situations like this, usually, the president of the country takes some action. Why don't we ever see the president in these movies say something, do something? We see the president in ALL other catastrophe movies (ID4, Deep Impact, etc.), but never in super heroes movies. It's like the government doesn't exist.
"Mr. President, a witch is in the middle of Midway city and destroys s**t! What should we do??"
"What?? beep that, man, I'm outta here!"
Are you telling me that a few missiles from some F-16s wouldn't have finished the job? And Harley Quinn and a human crocodile did? The Avengers at least do something. Hulk is a huge beast that can jump 1 mile away and destroy whatever he wants, Iron Man can fly and do his stuff, Thor too, and Captain canwhatever, he has a super shield. Suicide Squad is a bunch of nobodys who can just do human stuff, and they can do the job that the army of the most powerful nation in the world can't do? -
TRinzler — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 11:58 AM)
We see the president in ALL other catastrophe movies (ID4, Deep Impact, etc.), but never in super heroes movies.
He was present in BvS, just offscreen. Also the "World Council" in Avengers takes the place of the POTUS because SHIELD is an international organisation and hence so is the Avengers initiative. -
Hassan_Scarborough — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 07:33 PM)
Waller stated that Superman was good and the question posed was what if someone like him showed up.
Waller simply wanted a team she could control who were metahumans.
If Enchantress could be controlled(something Waller thought was possible) then she could easily stop Superman.
Harley is an intelligent doctor who could assess the Justice League. When she's in her right mind of course.
El Diablo could have been a match for weaker League member.
And Deadshot can take out any League member that wasn't bullet proof.
The main point was if they failed or died, no one would care. -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 11:42 PM)
Waller stated that Superman was good and the question posed was what if someone like him showed up.
I don't remember how they say it in the movie, but according to this trailer, they say Superman, not someone like him: -
Hassan_Scarborough — 9 years ago(August 31, 2016 01:34 AM)
You wrote that Waller stated that and in the trailer it's a high ranking official, not her.
She makes a statement as she walks from the table. That's not in that trailer.
You need to watch that film again. -
TRinzler — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 07:20 PM)
Yeah, but they only needed The Enchantress for that.
Deadshot is a merc so I can see them "hiring" him and Diablo is basically a good guy anyway but Slipknot, Killer Croc and Captain Boomerang? Really? Also, Harley is a loose cannon (too unpredictable to be trustworthy who is eventually going to attract the attention of Mr J).
Most of them are more effort than they're worth - unless of course, they're being used for illegal blackops missions that nobody knows and only Waller cares about. -
Because_Im-Batman — 9 years ago(September 01, 2016 05:26 AM)
Nobody would stop Superman, his deal is that he is limitless.
I mean, I'm Batman, I eat Chuck Norris, Goku and Saitama for breakfast, and I could stop Superman, but i wouldn't because he's my friend.
But besides me, there is nothing that could stop him, creating a Suicide Squad for that purpose is dumb.
"Knock knock Who's there? Beak Beak who?
Because I'm Batman!" -
DeepBlueNinja — 9 years ago(September 01, 2016 01:18 PM)
- Waller/other guy is telling the events of Superman 2. Where 3 Kryptonians came down ripped off the roof of the white house, forced the President to kneel and took over the world basically.
- Yes.
- You're not listening correctly. This group isn't stopping Superman, they're stopping a meta-human that doesn't "share their ideas"
This event happened in Midtown, not Gotham or Metropolis. Which means that
a) Batman- does he do any work outside of Gotham?
b) Flash- could've got there "fast enough" if he heard about what was going on, but I thought that the government was trying to keep it under wraps, weren't they calling it a "chemical spill" or some other government type explanation?
c) Wonder Woman - isn't she from like another country? No telling where she is but how does she get the information fast enough to help? Bruce is the only one "detective" enough to figure it out and he doesn't have anyone's cell phone number except Wonder Woman's until after the credits stated rolling.
Enchantress wanted to destroy machines so that the "world" would worship her because in some ancient civilization she was worshiped as a god and when you're over 6,000 years old, that is what you usually want.
Throw a bigger bomb and kill more people? The city is completely evacuated, except for Waller and her "team" of computer helpers.
After GoT finale credits, Nymeria drags Lady Stoneheart to land. It is known.
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Dreamcatcher9000 — 9 years ago(September 02, 2016 10:15 AM)
DeepBlueNinja
Waller/other guy is telling the events of Superman 2.
Are you kidding me? You know that the new Superman is a reboot, right? Thus, the events of the old Superman movies never happened.
Batman- does he do any work outside of Gotham?
Batman has visited Metropolis:
http://www.imdb.com/board/13108220/?ref_=ttep_ep16
Throw a bigger bomb and kill more people? The city is completely evacuated, except for Waller and her "team" of computer helpers.
I know. That's why it would be easier for the government to throw a bomb or some missiles, since there would be no civilian casualties. -
mddwbsst — 9 years ago(September 01, 2016 01:33 PM)
- So, Waller asks what if Superman went gaga, and he kidnapped the President. They would need a group of bad guys to stop him. But why bad guys? If Superman turned bad, wouldn't the good super heroes agree to stop him?
Well first their not trying to stop Superman, their trying to stop the next metahuman threat. Why bad guys? Simple, Waller needed people she could manipulate, people who she could control. These guys aren't state funded heroes, their Waller's pawns.
Actual heroes she has no leverage over, they won't turn a blind eye to her illegal acts. They would turn on her.
Besides actual heroes can't help the American government to much without looking biased. - Is Suicide Squad happening after BvS? So, isn't Superman dead?
Yes. - And so, the group that would stop SUPERMAN, is a bimbo with a bat (no pun intended!), a crocodile guy whocan swim fast, a shooter (who is useless because bullets can't hurt Superman), a guy who canclimb (for any of you who are observant enough and didn't miss him in the movie!), a mate who throws boomerangs ("Newsflash! The Man of Steen was killed by a boomerang!"), a Samurai chick, and a guy who throws fire. I don't know, who from all these could kill Superman?
NOPE! He was just the point of reference. They were recruited to stop metahuman threats and act as Waller's taskforce. He's simply the point of reference.
Whatever, this movie didn't make sense at all.
In what way?
Where were the REAL (DC) superheroes when all of this catastrophe was happening? Where was Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman? In Hawaii?
At this point their aren't that many heroes in the DC. Their only just coming out the wood work.
Batman's in Gotham, Flash is in Keastone City and Wonder Woman is probably back on Paradise Island. You have to remember the government was covering up what was going on, and claiming it was a terrorist attack.
And what did the Enchantress want? Just to conquer the world? Becauseshe's bad?
She outright spells it out to us. Once upon a time she was worshipped as a goddess, then mankind turned on her and imprisoned on her. Six thousand years later she is freed, and reduced to being Waller's attack dog.
She wanted to retake her old position as a goddess, and probably get some revenge for being abused. And she was an evil person.
And last, so a big city is getting destroyed, andwhat does the government do?? Why don't they throw a bomb to thatbeam of light, whatever it was?? You know, like the one that Croc threw!! But a bigger one, and from an F-16 or whatever. But no, the solution is: SEND HARLEY QUINN!!
Were you paying attention at all? The squad's mission wasn't to stop the Enchantress, they chose to do that themselves cause they realised their wasn't much other choice.
They were their to rescue Amanda Waller. Once she was out of the city, the Government would have happily levelled it.
- So, Waller asks what if Superman went gaga, and he kidnapped the President. They would need a group of bad guys to stop him. But why bad guys? If Superman turned bad, wouldn't the good super heroes agree to stop him?
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Dreamcatcher9000 — 9 years ago(September 07, 2016 10:21 PM)
mddwbsst
The squad's mission wasn't to stop the Enchantress, they chose to do that themselves cause they realised their wasn't much other choice. They were their to rescue Amanda Waller.
Ok, I'm confused. Didn't they initially send the squad because the Enchantress's brother was causing chaos? Was Waller captured by the Enchantress by the point the Squad was going to the city with the choppers? I don't remember well, but I don't think so. I remember that they sent them there to help stop the chaos. And then the Enchantress captured Waller and their mission was to rescue her. No?