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centrd — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 02:08 PM)
Well, I think you disagreed with me and I was just defending my position.
I'm not asking everyone to agree with me or believe what I believe. I'm just pointing out things I'm concerned about. You know this is my all-time favorite show. But I'm not going to pretend when something doesn't give me pause. And I know there are others who feel this way as well.
I don't have problems with almost all of the show's changes, and I've more than explained my reasons for having concerns about what I see as a lack of continuity. I truly hope they hire a continuity director soon. They've got a lot of writers and the showrunners have a ton of responsibilities and can't be expected to stay on top of everything. That's why shows that have a complex history and mythological canon to maintain usually have continuity directors. Sometimes it's just an additional duty of one of the cast members who's got a great memory for detail and past scripts. That could even be someone like Lesley-Ann from what I've seen. She seems to be pretty on top of everything.
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jncarriere — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 04:36 PM)
Well we can disagree amicably,I respect your opinion. I agree it's confusing for some fans and they could get the wrong idea. I see Lucifer as 2 different personifications..The Angelic and the Lord of Hell (demonic) and the Lucifer we see (TE)is the one he had in heaven.
Tom/Lucifer is scarier to me then,Lucifer/Demonic,because Tom is so good with expression/emotional scenes.
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Ryan-lindsey1 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 12:33 PM)
"Things need to add up and be consistent or fans stress."
Haha Really? Man, if things like that are stressing you out, you should seriously seek help from someone like Dr. Linda. Because that's crazy.
Not to mention that none of them are actually contradictions in the context of the show itself. Because they are never actually said or mentioned IN THE SHOW ITSELF. Stop putting so much credence in the offhand comments that producers or writers say in random interviews and what not. Because a very large percentage of the time they say beep that doesn't end up actually playing into the show, or say beep for the sole purpose of messing with people.
But as I said, if stupid details in a tv show as causing you actual stress, you should deff look into getting some help, because that's not normal. -
centrd — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 12:38 PM)
Um, clearly you don't watch many shows like this if you don't think fans obsess over these details. It's part of the genre. Just like stats are part of baseball.
Oh, and I'm not making up the inconsistencies. They're right there in the transcripts. I've quoted them many times, straight from the script.
Btw, thanks for the "helpful" advice, but I can take care of myself.
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ove-hetland79 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 12:51 PM)
Plenty of episodes simply wouldn't work if Lucifer's true face were beautiful, because who would get scared/shocked then? It's probably a necessary plot device, regardless of the logic and/or Twitter comments.
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centrd — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 01:09 PM)
His "true face" can easily be beautiful. He can assume a scary face whenever he wants. That makes way more sense with everything that's ever been said about him ON the show itself.
I honestly think "true face" is a misnomer and it's not what they really mean. People just keep saying it so much that it's almost become "fact" to the point even the Lucifer PR people are using it. But they're an entirely different department than the show itself. (I think, maybe not)
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ove-hetland79 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 01:40 PM)
Same thing happens in other shows though, Flash for example can be so fast that he travels backwards through time, yet often he can't avoid being hit by mere mortals, i.e. depending on plot he can be super fast or pedestrian. Similarly here, Lucifer's true face can be both angelic and demonic, depending what the writers' need for the episode in case, doubt there's any deeper meaning behind that.
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scarlet8 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 12:46 PM)
I'm guilty of using the term 'true face' to describe it too, but I think in effect both the Lucifer we normally see and the devil one are both true. Like two different sides of the same coin, the angel and the devil. It's possible God, in a way, 'cursed' him with the more hideous visage when he fell as a reminder/punishment of what happened, or to help Lucifer with the job he was tasked (torturing souls) or a combination of both. Definitely Lucifer is a unique case among angels, as far as we know.
It would be interesting to see the show explore the duel faces more. Since currently this is all just my headcanon. LOL!
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red_moon_lily — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 02:01 PM)
Who are the people that are saying that the devil face is Lucifer's real face? I went through Joe Henderson's, Chris Rafferty's, Lucifer Writers Room's, and Lucifer Fox's tweets while the episode was airing, and none of them made any mention of it being Lucifer's real face.
I know that some reviewers and recappers are referring to the devil face as his real face, but they don't have authority on the matter.
I've already posted this many times, but Lucifer's real facethe one he had in heaven is the one that looks like Tom Ellis. The reason I believe this is because of the wing scars. -
centrd — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 03:31 PM)
@LuciferOnFox tweeted it. That's my whole point. They need to get their mythology straight and everyone on the same page. If LOF is parroting the common "true face" fan belief, then the writers need to realize their mixed messages have led to certain assumptions they may not want to have fans making. Just like when people started assuming that Lucifer was also in a borrowed body because his mother is. It's amazing how this stuff spreads. You see this "true face" business
all over
fan fiction. Which, I'm surprised to say, has become my new form of guilty pleasure reading. But you really get a feel for exactly what assumptions are being made out there among the fan base from fan fiction. This is an invested fan base that cares enough to carry on the stories. And they're getting their info from the show, not twitter, interviews, etc.
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red_moon_lily — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 04:27 PM)
If networks are anything like regular companies, the likelihood of each department being on the same page is slim. That's bad, but that's usually how it is.
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centrd — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 03:35 PM)
And I agree with you that Tom Ellis's face is Lucifer's "true face". But it seems you and I are among the few.
Whatever, I'm over it at this point. It's exhausting just trying to explain myself. Even though I know I'm not crazy.
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Melopsittacus_undulatus — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 03:33 PM)
I just assumed it was a projection he used to scare people. But with this reveal today, it looked like he was really showing Linda himself.
I just watched this episode. Lucifer thinks of himself as a monster, he says so himself. Linda wants him to tell her who he really is, no more metaphors. Judging by the look on his face, Lucifer feels he has no other option than to show, not tell her, who he thinks he really is. Even if he doesn't want to, he really needs her to believe him so he can truly talk with someone. And by the look on his face afterwards, seeing as his facade has fried Linda's brain, he wasn't surprised about her reaction.
I don't think his monster face is his real look, rather something he uses to drive home the fact that he is the stuff of nightmares. That and the fact he actually believes he is a monster. -
readerf61 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 04:38 PM)
OK, a quick OT question..were you appalled at the attempt at Dutch at the Stroopwaffel truck? So, hagelslag is tough to saytwo g'sbut stroop? I'm actually always happy when I hear or see a mistake that most people will miss, but I thought of you immediately, while chuckling.well, demonically.
And.it's not New Year's yet, Luci!
No, David. No one is happy in a poodle skirt and a sweater set.
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centrd — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 04:52 PM)
Oh no, I'm not at all versed in Dutch. So tell me more? Who did what?
All I got is this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Nl-stroopwafels2.ogg
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readerf61 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 05:26 PM)
Mostly it was a lot of mispronounced Dutch words. And my husband's family only had oliebollen for a NY's day treat. I'm not sure if that is all Dutch people, but my husband would have been surprised to find them available all the time. But Lucifer is right; they taste a lot better than the English translation would have you think
No, David. No one is happy in a poodle skirt and a sweater set.
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Melopsittacus_undulatus — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 05:10 AM)
I'm actually always happy when I hear or see a mistake that most people will miss, but I thought of you immediately, while chuckling.well, demonically.
Love you too, Reader.
Actually, I was more surprised by the fact that there is such a thing as Stroopwafel trucks in de US. At least I won't be homesick if I ever get the chance to cross the pond.
Hearing those familiar words coming from the Devil's lips was a treat! I must say the pronounciation was really close for non-native speakers. I'm impressed. This I could follow, in POI those Dutch commands to Bear not so much.
Although some small details for nerds like me:
stroopwafel: "o" as in "home", "a" as in "Chicago"
oliebollen: first "o" as in "home", second "o" as in "soccer"
hagelslag: first "a" as in "Chicago", second "a" as in "arm", "g" as in "loch"
Stroopwafels are great with a cup of tea or coffee, but basically always edible.
Oliebollen are usually a New Year's eve treat, but also for special occasions. Best eaten warm with a lot of powdered sugar.
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centrd — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 08:03 AM)
Well, that makes so much more sense. (Don't know why I got a notice for reader's post.)
I do love how Oliebollen & Oily Balls sound so similar. Mmmmmm.:)
I wonder if Chris Rafferty's a big fan of Dutch treats? Interesting Food Truck choice. He even showed the restaurant logo on Twitter and asked who'd eat at a place Freddy's Dutch Oven.
"Beauty chains me to the earthThe heavens are not a place for human souls."