Emasculate the Asian guy
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Pumpyjones — 9 years ago(October 19, 2016 10:08 PM)
I'm 100% cool with color-bending, so you're preaching to the choir. My point was just that none of these characters are really excellen rep for any minority group. It would just be more like rep, rather than good rep.
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Educator07 — 9 years ago(October 20, 2016 01:18 AM)
I never said a minority person shouldn't be the bad guy. I have no problem with Tabitha or Fish. I don't think they are worse characters than Fox. If Tabitha played Bullock's informant and had three children out of wedlock and was on welfare that would bother me or if Fish spoke in Ebonics. It's stereotypical depictions that bother me.
Even when there are morally gray Caucasian characters there are good ones to balance them out, Bruce, the Commissioner, and Jim's still a good guy.
Asian males are rarely shown as legitimate love interests, this is just another example. Much like Hispanic Cisco on The Flash.
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Educator07 — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 11:37 AM)
Cisco has been shown to get the ladies. I think he would have been cool if he were married in the new post-Flashpoint reality. Sadly, Berlanti shows don't know how to develop the secondary character's personal lives besides Felicity.
He's flirted and kissed Golden Glider and I agree she is hot and if Frequency tanks she'll be back sooner rather than later. But there is no way they ever show them in a real relationship.
Kendra was definitely his gf.
The difference between Gotham and the Berlanti shows is Gotham does a much better job of developing the entire cast. How often do we see Cisco not at work? I'd love to see 10 minutes a month dedicated to his having a love interest and juggling that with Team Star Labs. I.E. "You work at Star Labs all day and then hang out there at night?"
Too bad the writers can't see beyond Metas of the Week.
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Pumpyjones — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 01:22 PM)
LOL. Yeah, Cisco and Caitlin spend every waking moment at the labs. They're also super invested in Barry's love life. It's like, get your own? Apparently nobody is allowed to get laid but Barry and Iris?
The new Ghost Rider (Robbie Reyes) on Agents of Shield is Mexican-American and - though nothing has happened yet - I think there's a very good chance he's going to end up in a relationship with the lead female character, who is Asian/White. Actually, AoS is probably the best show on network tv for rep right now, especially in this genre.
ITA Asian men in general are under-resented on tv, and when you do see then, they're usually playing sexless computer geeks. To be fair, all minorities suffer from annoying, bad stereotypes. If I see another wimpy, Jewish businessman/lawyer, desperately in love with the blonde WASP goddess whom he can never have, who ends up secretly embezzling moneyick. Or the earnest, cholo, blue collar guy in love with the educated white woman whose family/friends don't approve. I'm not even going to touch the 50 black stereotypes.
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Educator07 — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 03:28 PM)
There's no reason for the entire cast to act as Barry's backup every episode. Just once I'd love Joe to be on stakeout, Iris caring for a neighbor's kid, or Cisco on a date. I'd make it easier to think these people exist when they aren't helping Barry. Caitlin's mom is coming and I will scream if she ends up at Star Labs. I know shows have budgets, but lets get more sets than Star Labs, Jitters, Barry's place, CCPD, Picture News, and Jitters. Or just make better use of them.
I read that AOS has a problem with killing off their non-Asian minorities.
https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2015/03/31/whats-the-deal-with-the-poc-characters-on-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d/
I admit I do not watch the show. I can't complain about the depiction of Blacks on the shows I watch, their actually pretty forward thinking. I think it's odd I haven't seen a fictional black couple on a date in a very long time, but it's kind of nice that when a show has two black people you know they won't automatically get paired up.
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Pumpyjones — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 03:24 AM)
Here's the thing about AoS - they have a TON of minority actors in lead roles, so they do kill off a lot of POCs, but that's kind of inevitable when they have so many POCs on the show.
They also kill off a lot of white people. They killed off the two pretty white leading men last season and kept the two Asian women and the black guy alive. In fact, the only white guys on the show are Phil Coulson (the older man from the avengers movies) and Leo Fitz (the younger Scottish scientist character). It was actually quite a big shock, because literally no other show would kill off their two big heartthrobs, but they went there. In their place, they hired a Mexican guy to play Ghost Rider.
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Pumpyjones — 9 years ago(October 26, 2016 05:33 PM)
Well, this thread was about emasculating the Asian guy, so obviously it's going to be about race. I mean, I'm guessing the OP is ethnic (maybe Asian?) and so it's an important issue to them, in which case, IMO it's kind of rude for you to say it's wrong for them to be fixated for how their people are represented on tv. They're allowed to be concerned, you don't have to join the conversation.
And I'm guessing you're white, which is why you think people focus too much on race? If you were POC, you probably would think people didn't focus enough on race, because you'd been misrepresented in media a lot. In any event, if it's not an interesting discussion to you, why are you posting on this thread? Kind of douche move to insert yourself into a conversation just to imply its topic is irrelevant. Like, why bother? -
Educator07 — 9 years ago(October 19, 2016 11:42 AM)
Considering the age of the source material I was impressed when the series added Fish and then Tabitha and later Strange with Fox. But it's business as usual. The white guys get their pick of all the women.
Fox has had 0 love interests. Even the creepy Edward had a gf.
They could have at least made the Asian guy suave while still wanting to sleep with her. No, he was played as a creep. Then Jim reeking of testosterone runs him off.
Tabitha(BF) gets with Butch (WM) and Barbara (WF).
Fish Mooney (BF) pursued by Butch (WM) and Bullock (WM). I think Alfred flirted with her as well.
Miss Vale (AF) purused by Gordon (WM).
I wish Asian males could afford to turn down roles, but they have bills like everyone else. Asians are also absent from the WB DC shows. Pathetic.
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Educator07 — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 04:22 AM)
Why wouldn't she be? Mr. Vale, a white man, impregnates an Asian woman and a white woman.
The Asian woman births Valerie. Valerie Vale is Jim's gf and reporter.
Mr. Vale's son impregnates a white woman creating Vicki Vale, Valerie's niece.
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brianbrian69 — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 04:35 AM)
Remember how they also emasculated BD Wong with the white woman on the video communication before Arkham needed to be evacuated. Same with the scene with Fish Mooney when he was in his cell. They basically turned him into a beta whimp, especially when facing female characters.
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alirioaguero2 — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 11:13 AM)
I know Asian men have rarely been depicted as attractive and I can connect with that. Although I am not Asian, I am thin and lanky and I know how it's seeing men who look like you being regularely dismissed. Whenever a male is not 'ripped', they put him as a side villain or a 'cute' sidekick, but never a hero or a love interest. Even 'average' built actors talk about pressure of getting fitter for shirtless scenes, even if they are playing nerdy or passive people. It's never same with women: Keira Knightley and Angelina Jolie can be leading ladies and desired by men. Same with Asians; women can be presented as desirable (e. i. Jamie Chung), but men very rarely. I wish several standards could be more diverse.