My thoughts on Diamondback
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ApeLieUproar — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 09:24 PM)
Kind of have to agree. I think the comicbook origin is better but of course they couldn't use it because they'd already done something different with Reva Connors, the original motive for Diamondback's hatred of Luke.
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Madcap2112 — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 09:41 PM)
First off, he was far too erratic to be a successful leader.
See, i liked that. He was so focused on killing Luke that he lost his way. He wasn't always like that, as evidenced in Shades like "This isn't the same Diamondback, if he does you this favor, he'll take Harlem from you." Something about Luke Cage makes this guy lose his marbles.
You can't just randomly kill people.
Joker does it all the time.
Second, I didn't think his motive for killing Luke made sense. Basically he wanted to kill Luke because their father didn't care about him. That's dumb.
Why is it dumb? If this dude is insane, things aren't always going to make sense.
I understand some tension and jealousy. But framing him, then trying to kill him? That's just way over the top.
So is putting a cast on your arm and asking women for help only to STRANGLE them when they do. Over the top? Ask Ted Bundy. People don't always make sense.
I respect your opinion. I'm not complaining at you. But i do disagree. I thought he was perfect as Diamondback.
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JoostinOnline — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 10:41 PM)
See, i liked that. He was so focused on killing Luke that he lost his way. He wasn't always like that, as evidenced in Shades like "This isn't the same Diamondback, if he does you this favor, he'll take Harlem from you." Something about Luke Cage makes this guy lose his marbles.
I must have missed the first part of that line, because I don't remember him saying Diamondback had changed. That would make more sense. You can't build up a following if you're killing your followers though.
Joker does it all the time.
Lol, that's hardly a justification. Why do people still follow Joker if he's probably going to kill them? -
Madcap2112 — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 12:05 PM)
I must have missed the first part of that line
Shades says it. When Cottonmouth is wanting the Judas bullet. I forget which episode it's in, somewhere in the middle.
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keekosdoctor — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 09:49 PM)
I might be misremembering, but did he really "randomly kill" anyone? At least, among his own guys? I think his flunky body count comes down to less than Cottonmoith, since I only recall him shooting a guy in the shoulder. May be wrong though.
Personally I like the guy. His motive goes beyond plain old parental favoritism. Their father was a powerful, respected guy, who's name meant something to their whole community. Legacy and family names are something that's treated like a big deal on this show even before Willis shows up, and not only was he denied either of those hints, he was consequently sent to prison for years (something which we know through Luke means his father must've then
completely
dissacociated with him) while Luke gets off scot free because of his name.
Then
he tries to make Luke feel how he felt, and Luke gets a relatively short stint in prison with the result being a new lover and
superpowers
. I doubt that did anything to alleviate his sense of righteous anger.
To him, it doesn't matter if Luke knew or not. He thinks it's only fair if they experience the same suffering.
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JoostinOnline — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 10:36 PM)
he was consequently sent to prison for years (something which we know through Luke means his father must've then completely dissacociated with him) while Luke gets off scot free because of his name. Then he tries to make Luke feel how he felt, and Luke gets a relatively short stint in prison with the result being a new lover and superpowers.
That makes a little more sense, but I don't think it was properly explained in the show.
You're also bringing up another issue I have. First Luke is a golden (or "miracle") child who his father gets out of a juvie sentence. When he's framed later one, his father won't even bother to listen to Luke. I get "not giving third chances", but that seems like a pretty dramatic shift. -
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Verdugo85 — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 12:23 PM)
His motive goes beyond plain old parental favoritism. Their father was a powerful, respected guy, who's name meant something to their whole community. Legacy and family names are something that's treated like a big deal on this show even before Willis shows up, and not only was he denied either of those hints, he was consequently sent to prison for years (something which we know through Luke means his father must've then completely dissacociated with him) while Luke gets off scot free because of his name. Then he tries to make Luke feel how he felt, and Luke gets a relatively short stint in prison with the result being a new lover and superpowers. I doubt that did anything to alleviate his sense of righteous anger.
To him, it doesn't matter if Luke knew or not. He thinks it's only fair if they experience the same suffering.
Spot on. This is what people need to understand about Diamondback's motivation and why it makes him a good villain. Willis is a pained man and hurting Luke is the only way to deal with his pain.
Some people here dont like him because of his silly looking high-tech suit he wore to fight Luke, come on.. -
android-impostor — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 10:15 AM)
Second, I didn't think his motive for killing Luke made sense. Basically he wanted to kill Luke because their father didn't care about him. That's dumb. Luke didn't even know they were related, and he wasn't the reason that Diamondback went to juvie or jail. I understand some tension and jealousy. But framing him, then trying to kill him? That's just way over the top.
Luke didn't have to do anything to provoke Diamondback's wrath. Stryker saw Cage as the favored son and that was enough. Diamondback definitely blames Luke for his (Stryker's) mother dying alone. Stryker is the first born son but was not legitimized like Luke was.
With all the biblical references in the series, it's clear that their relationship is meant to mirror that of Cain and Abel. -
JoostinOnline — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 04:46 PM)
Luke didn't have to do anything to provoke Diamondback's wrath. Stryker saw Cage as the favored son and that was enough. Diamondback definitely blames Luke for his (Stryker's) mother dying alone. Stryker is the first born son but was not legitimized like Luke was.
Those are weak reasons. He didn't want to kill Luke when they were kids, and nobody with the slightest trace of sanity would blame Luke for Diamondback's mother dying alone.
I know he says a "tension" existed between them as kids, but it was subtle enough that Luke didn't even notice it. They were best friends. -
moustachegai — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 10:36 AM)
Yeah I feel like we needed more back story - with the dad, and maybe romantic relationships with women they loved etc - to really help his psyche. He just seemed like a spoiled brat at the end but it didn't mesh because he looks like a 50 year old Black man with some form of autism.
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Castle177 — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 11:56 AM)
I feel like we'll be getting in to his real character development if they make a series two. For now I'll just say that I found him enjoyable. I really liked watching him, especially that moment where he shot that guy.
Cottonmouth was better though, which is a shame. -
Verdugo85 — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 12:31 PM)
diamondback hated luke in the comics because of reva and he was a friend not a brother. those idiots changed it for worse
You prefer Diamondback hate Luke over a woman?
And whats up with this?
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Madcap2112 — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 12:36 PM)
You prefer Diamondback hate Luke over a woman?
I agree. He's got a better reason in this. Hating someone over a woman is a b!tch move.
Marriage is a wonderful institution, but who wants to live in an institution?
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