I liked Planet Hulk except for the part where the Hulk is holding down actual conversations with everyone. WTF? I get th
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threewolfmoon — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 01:56 AM)
frankly i thought they did a really good job of replacing the silver surfer with beta ray bill, roughly the same power-wise and did not change the flow of the story at all. plus, it gives us something new. i had read the story before i saw this movie and thought it was pretty good, saw the movie thought it was pretty great, went back and read the comics(all at once instead of issue by issue also makes a difference) and decided they were beep awesome.
you really shouldn't judge this before you see it, i'm as big of a fanboy as anyone and they honestly did a really great job of adapting the comics. one of the most faithful comic book adaptations i've ever seen, even with the small changes. every other animated dc or marvel movie that i can think of(with the possible exception of wonder woman- and i was never a ww fan to begin with) has left me disappointed on some level. not this one. -
Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 01:58 AM)
I think the problem they usually have is trying to pack an entire story arc into an hour and fiteen minute movie. Watching "Superman - Doomsday" after reading the book, I can understand why they had to cut some things out - they just didn't have the time. Just like in Spidey 3 when they explained the alien simbiote coming from a meteorite. It was lame, but I knew they didn't have time to get into the whole "Secret Wars" situation. So it wasn't that big of a deal to me.
And I kinda like the fact that they used Beta Ray Bill instead of Silver Surfer. In the movie, Hulk almost beats BRB to death and I'd rather see that happen to him instead of the Surfmeister.
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manny552 — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 02:05 AM)
the problem with spider-man 3 was that it was too cramped. They had 3 villians and they basically just did more work than they had to. I would have loved to see them save venom for another film so that they could spend more time on him. I also thought they did a terrible casting job for eddie brock.
With the death of superman I think they should have added more pre fight and less post fight. They should have ended Superman Doomsday the same way they ended the book. It would have left a bigger impact seeing the movie end with superman dead then alive. This way they could show doomsday fighting the justice league and kicking butt until finally beating superman to death. The death of superman is all action and I would have loved to see them stick to that book instead of cutting the good stuff short.
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Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 02:18 AM)
Sony pushed Raimi into including Venom and that's why everything was so cramped. Even so, Raimi should have never cast Topher Grace for the part. I liked him in That 70's Show, but Venom he's not. I always thought that UFC champ Brock Lesnar would have made the perfect Brock/Venom. Oh well, maybe someday.
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manny552 — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 02:27 AM)
Brock Lesnar? maybe. Wrestlers dont really have that great acting skills. im not sure who I would have liked to play eddie brock/Venom. Some characters are better left on the comic book pages than in film. I think that Venom and Carnage are two of those characters. Theres just something about them that when you see them in comics all hell breaks loose and it wouldnt have that shock value if it was in film. Also I think that deadpool is better left on the comic book pages then in film, but thanks to Fox and Marvel he will be getting his own film. I think that batman stories are the only ones that are actually sticking to the books because it would be unessisary to have films based on them and it wouldnt be as exciting. Marvel should take the time to go through the stories and planning of films before deciding weather the books and characters are able to translate well onto the screen and if not then dont make the film. I hate how now and days Marvel says yes to everything. Especially when Fox said can we use deadpool in origins, and the result was a mortal combat character rip off.
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fuzzy_wunz — 16 years ago(February 25, 2010 09:05 AM)
Dude, don't feed the trolls. That guy's a joke and your insights are lost on him. Remember not to cast pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you, which is pretty much what that idiot did.
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threewolfmoon — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 12:09 AM)
lmao i get why you like the dumb angry hulk
i couldn't even get through your whole comment(here's me pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement telling someone they have too much time on their hands and then proceeding to write an essay about it and moving on) but chill man the guy came off as a little arrogant but nowhere near as immature and violent as you have.
anyway, the hulk has always had varied levels of intelligence in the comics depending on who writes him. i don't remember why specifically he had a high intelligence in this storyline but i believe near the end of world war hulk it was explained that banner and hulk and created a temporary truce that might account for part of it. maybe when they share a mutual goal such as survival or revenge they don't resist each other and therefore share their intellectual resources?
hulk does and has always had a conscience(even as the hulk he pulls his punches when people are trying to murder him) and has been in love several times. i'm one of those who really doesn't like the 'stupid hulk' at all as it makes the character pretty one-dimensional.
feel free to yell at me or whatever, i think its hilarious.
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Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 01:05 AM)
Okaaay. I just don't get you guys. Yelling? THIS IS YELLING!!!!! And I didn't do any of that. And you're damn right I wrote an essay. I'm not gonna let some 19 year old hack try to show me up just cuz he didn't like my opinion and has every Hulk comic stashed away in his frontal lobe. He attacked me and I defended myself. And for the third time.
I didn't sit down to watch the movie worrying about what the book had to say. This message board is about the movie, not the book or the "World War Hulk" book. So as far as I'm concerned, the books are totally irrelevant. If the movie doesn't take the time to explain things like the book does then I'm gonna slam the movie every time. Case in pointThe Green Mile. Great movie. I didn't read that book either (although I probably should - I do like Steven King). The point is, they knew how to explain everything in the movie and no one had to read the book first.
Now see, when someone's not calling me an idiot I can be just as cordial as the next guy. And I don't believe I was immature or "violent". This has been an incredibly unwanted journey to have to go through just because I said I like my Hulk a little more smashy. Nuff Said. 8D
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threewolfmoon — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 02:28 AM)
alright, with all the swears and insults i kind of just assumed your caps lock key was broken from over use or something. but i'll take your word for it- not yelling, just a massive over-reaction. also i've heard people say exactly what you've just said here "Yelling? THIS IS YELLING!!!!!" none of them were nice people, and they all had anger control issues. not saying you're a bad person, just letting you know how you come off on the internets.
but back on topic. if all that matters is the movie, then none of your prior knowledge of the hulk should be taken into account either. if he talks, he talks. thats who the hulk is in this movie. if you shouldn't be expected to know that he is sometimes characterized as thus, then you also shouldn't be expected to think hes going to be characterized as dumb and angry all the time either. if you want to take the movie 'as is' i don't see whats stopping you. some big green monster guy who is of (at least) average intelligence is betrayed by his friends because he was a danger to earth and launched into space. it doesn't NEED any special knowledge from the comics, although it is certainly enhanced by it. as far as i can tell, your main dislike is that the hulk is not enough like the books that you are used to.(or maybe the movies or tv show, not sure what your exposure is from) which kind of negates the argument that only the movie matters.
you're certainly entitled to not like the movie, or like angry hulk better, it's just on that one specific point your logic doesn't quite add up.
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Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 03:18 AM)
Yes, The Dark Towers kicks a**.
What I was trying to say is that I don't like movies that change the core characteristics of an icon like the Hulk. If they do, then to me it's just like a "What If.." comic. I don't know if you've ever read any of the "What If.." comics, but I can remember an issue where the Hulk ended up going apes**t and they threw every Marvel hero at him, but nobody could stop him. In the end, Thor ended up killing him. Now, it made for an interesting story - "what would happen if no one could stop the Hulk?" But I think that a lot of people would have a problem with Hulk ending up dead. Even though nothing that drastic happened in this movie, there were some areas that just didn't jive with me. The Hulk ruling some strange planet with a grey chick at his side just seemed out of character to me. How about we make a movie where the Hulk is a pediatrician? I'm thinkin' that would probably be a little out of place too. They should either remain true to the character or don't make the movie at all. It's like saying "Oh, you didn't like American Psycho? Well, you should have read the screenplayit explains everything." 8D
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threewolfmoon — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 10:25 AM)
i have read some of the 'what if's' and while i love the concept of them i think that the result is always rushed, incomplete and unsatisfying. it's inevitable as they usually try and encompass and entire multi-issue storyline into 22 pages. i can see where you are coming from as you believe it's not being true to the character you love, but really there is no one iconic hulk.(unless you are going to perceive iconic as original and in that case spiderman would be a teenager his entire life) there are many, many incarnations of the hulk the main concept of the character is the two conflicting personalities of hulk and banner so it's within the theme of the character imo that he changes from time to time. if he remained always as the hulk you enjoy it would take away some the unpredictability thats integral to the core character.
you can think of it as a what if, and personally i think those types of stories would work much better in movie form, but in reality it was a once year storyline with alot of work and planning that went into it. i would like to say that the movie can stand by itself as a true representation of the comic, but it's hard to forget what i already know - and that may taint my opinion. i know you want to keep on topic to the movie, but it's impossible to separate our knowledge of the original material when something follows it so closely - whether its your memories of the old school 'hulk smash' or my more modern recollections. -
kryptangel — 16 years ago(February 01, 2010 09:52 AM)
My god did you even READ the planet hulk arc? The obediencw disk that are implanted onto imperial slaves are powerful enough to even render a near godlike being like Silver surfer (in the comics) and Beta Ray Bill (in the movie) nearly powerless and in Hulks case it made him vulnerable enough that he his skin could be broken by conventional weapons. As for his being talkative and relatively calm demeanor the only reason the hulk is ever a blind engine of destruction with a 2 word vocab is because every time he runs into people back home on earth hes either in the middle of fighting someone/something and then the military shows up and treat him as a threat or they just flat out attack him which sends him into savage hulk mode. This is quite well illustrated during the WW:H crossover in the issue Incredible Hercules which acts a flashback to an incident where Hulk came into conflict with The Champions who assume hes just on another rampage only to find out after the fact that Hulk was only trying to get his cousin Jen to a hospital because she was on the verge of dying from appendicitis.
On Sakaar he acts different due in large part to the his bond with his "warbound" all of them are outcasts same as him they don't treat him as a freak or an animal so they for the most part don't set off his rage.
I admit there shoulda been much more smashing and carnage but not because its "who the hulk is". In the comics he spends a couple years leading the rebellion and decimating his way to The Red King before he finally overthrowing him. Sadly they cut this entire chunk out completely most likely to keep the movie from dragging out to 2 hours or more.
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Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 01, 2010 05:15 PM)
"My god did you even READ the planet hulk arc?"
Actually no, I didn't. And as I stated in one of my earlier posts, I didn't sit down to watch the movie worrying about what the book had to say. This message board is about the movie, not the book. So as far as I'm concerned, the book is totally irrelevant. If the movie doesn't take the time to explain things like the book does then I'm gonna slam the movie every time. The Green Mile. Great movie. I didn't read that book either (although I probably should - I do like Steven King). The point is, they knew how to explain everything in the movie and no one had to read the book first.
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Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 08:41 PM)
"While on this point, could be just me but I don't think he was saying anyone needed to read the book to understand the film either."
Actually in my original post I said they never fully explained how the Hulk was able to speak and he quoted something from the book that wasn't in the movie and acted like I should have just known that without reading the book (story arc). That's what sparked the whole debate.
What irritated me was that he didn't even watch the movie (which is what this message board was about) and started spouting off about "the book says this" and "the book says that". Which at that point I would have remained friendly in my response. It wasn't until he said I was a complete idiot and I needed to educate myself that I decided to tear him a new one. I'm all about reading the source material - I just don't think you should have to do it before you watch a movie. I'm just glad it's over.
"There are no big wordsjust little heads." - Bud Bundy -
Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 03, 2010 02:44 PM)
Yeah, I read it years agoall 900 and some-odd pages. Probably my favorite from Steven King. It's funny how at the end of the book it talks about how Beverly was a little slut and slept with all of the boys and yet there was no mention of that in the movie. And that whole giant spider thingy at the end of the movie. What the hell was that about? Still one of my favorite horror movies (even though it was made for tv) just for the sheer creepiness that Tim Curry was able to portray as Pennywise.
"There are no big wordsjust little heads." - Bud Bundy -
AshLegend — 16 years ago(February 21, 2010 10:10 PM)
They didn't mention it in the movie for obvious reasons lol Whobesides sick and perverted people, want to see a group of 15 year old boys fool around with a 15 year old? And they did mention that "It" in it's true form resembled a spider-like creature. Even in the tv movie it wasn't exactly a spider.
Also, remember Dandelo from the last book in the Dark Tower series? It's said that he's the same type of creature. The only difference is that Dandelo feeds off of laughter while "It" feeds off of fear.
Anyways, I agree with the others. I do like to see Hulk smash but at the same time I don't want that to be his whole reason for existing. He always seemed more defensive than offensive, meaning he only attacks those that try to do him harm or that make him mad. He's never been one to hurt any and everything in his path. In Hulk vs. Thor, I will admit that he was just smashing just to be smashing lol.
P.S. There is a what-if comic based on Planet Hulk. In the explosion that killed his wife (didn't really kill so much as she gave her life to protect her unborn child), the what-if scenario is what if it was Hulk that was killed instead of her. She goes on to go to earth and pretty much take over everything and becomes queen of the planet.