I liked Planet Hulk except for the part where the Hulk is holding down actual conversations with everyone. WTF? I get th
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Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 03:18 AM)
Yes, The Dark Towers kicks a**.
What I was trying to say is that I don't like movies that change the core characteristics of an icon like the Hulk. If they do, then to me it's just like a "What If.." comic. I don't know if you've ever read any of the "What If.." comics, but I can remember an issue where the Hulk ended up going apes**t and they threw every Marvel hero at him, but nobody could stop him. In the end, Thor ended up killing him. Now, it made for an interesting story - "what would happen if no one could stop the Hulk?" But I think that a lot of people would have a problem with Hulk ending up dead. Even though nothing that drastic happened in this movie, there were some areas that just didn't jive with me. The Hulk ruling some strange planet with a grey chick at his side just seemed out of character to me. How about we make a movie where the Hulk is a pediatrician? I'm thinkin' that would probably be a little out of place too. They should either remain true to the character or don't make the movie at all. It's like saying "Oh, you didn't like American Psycho? Well, you should have read the screenplayit explains everything." 8D
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threewolfmoon — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 10:25 AM)
i have read some of the 'what if's' and while i love the concept of them i think that the result is always rushed, incomplete and unsatisfying. it's inevitable as they usually try and encompass and entire multi-issue storyline into 22 pages. i can see where you are coming from as you believe it's not being true to the character you love, but really there is no one iconic hulk.(unless you are going to perceive iconic as original and in that case spiderman would be a teenager his entire life) there are many, many incarnations of the hulk the main concept of the character is the two conflicting personalities of hulk and banner so it's within the theme of the character imo that he changes from time to time. if he remained always as the hulk you enjoy it would take away some the unpredictability thats integral to the core character.
you can think of it as a what if, and personally i think those types of stories would work much better in movie form, but in reality it was a once year storyline with alot of work and planning that went into it. i would like to say that the movie can stand by itself as a true representation of the comic, but it's hard to forget what i already know - and that may taint my opinion. i know you want to keep on topic to the movie, but it's impossible to separate our knowledge of the original material when something follows it so closely - whether its your memories of the old school 'hulk smash' or my more modern recollections. -
kryptangel — 16 years ago(February 01, 2010 09:52 AM)
My god did you even READ the planet hulk arc? The obediencw disk that are implanted onto imperial slaves are powerful enough to even render a near godlike being like Silver surfer (in the comics) and Beta Ray Bill (in the movie) nearly powerless and in Hulks case it made him vulnerable enough that he his skin could be broken by conventional weapons. As for his being talkative and relatively calm demeanor the only reason the hulk is ever a blind engine of destruction with a 2 word vocab is because every time he runs into people back home on earth hes either in the middle of fighting someone/something and then the military shows up and treat him as a threat or they just flat out attack him which sends him into savage hulk mode. This is quite well illustrated during the WW:H crossover in the issue Incredible Hercules which acts a flashback to an incident where Hulk came into conflict with The Champions who assume hes just on another rampage only to find out after the fact that Hulk was only trying to get his cousin Jen to a hospital because she was on the verge of dying from appendicitis.
On Sakaar he acts different due in large part to the his bond with his "warbound" all of them are outcasts same as him they don't treat him as a freak or an animal so they for the most part don't set off his rage.
I admit there shoulda been much more smashing and carnage but not because its "who the hulk is". In the comics he spends a couple years leading the rebellion and decimating his way to The Red King before he finally overthrowing him. Sadly they cut this entire chunk out completely most likely to keep the movie from dragging out to 2 hours or more.
If you had even read the arc you would know that he ruled quite contentedly over Sakaar until the event which lead directly into returning to earth in World War Hulk but since LGF decided to make it a stand alone movie they understandably omitted that part too. -
Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 01, 2010 05:15 PM)
"My god did you even READ the planet hulk arc?"
Actually no, I didn't. And as I stated in one of my earlier posts, I didn't sit down to watch the movie worrying about what the book had to say. This message board is about the movie, not the book. So as far as I'm concerned, the book is totally irrelevant. If the movie doesn't take the time to explain things like the book does then I'm gonna slam the movie every time. The Green Mile. Great movie. I didn't read that book either (although I probably should - I do like Steven King). The point is, they knew how to explain everything in the movie and no one had to read the book first.
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Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 02, 2010 08:41 PM)
"While on this point, could be just me but I don't think he was saying anyone needed to read the book to understand the film either."
Actually in my original post I said they never fully explained how the Hulk was able to speak and he quoted something from the book that wasn't in the movie and acted like I should have just known that without reading the book (story arc). That's what sparked the whole debate.
What irritated me was that he didn't even watch the movie (which is what this message board was about) and started spouting off about "the book says this" and "the book says that". Which at that point I would have remained friendly in my response. It wasn't until he said I was a complete idiot and I needed to educate myself that I decided to tear him a new one. I'm all about reading the source material - I just don't think you should have to do it before you watch a movie. I'm just glad it's over.
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Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 03, 2010 02:44 PM)
Yeah, I read it years agoall 900 and some-odd pages. Probably my favorite from Steven King. It's funny how at the end of the book it talks about how Beverly was a little slut and slept with all of the boys and yet there was no mention of that in the movie. And that whole giant spider thingy at the end of the movie. What the hell was that about? Still one of my favorite horror movies (even though it was made for tv) just for the sheer creepiness that Tim Curry was able to portray as Pennywise.
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AshLegend — 16 years ago(February 21, 2010 10:10 PM)
They didn't mention it in the movie for obvious reasons lol Whobesides sick and perverted people, want to see a group of 15 year old boys fool around with a 15 year old? And they did mention that "It" in it's true form resembled a spider-like creature. Even in the tv movie it wasn't exactly a spider.
Also, remember Dandelo from the last book in the Dark Tower series? It's said that he's the same type of creature. The only difference is that Dandelo feeds off of laughter while "It" feeds off of fear.
Anyways, I agree with the others. I do like to see Hulk smash but at the same time I don't want that to be his whole reason for existing. He always seemed more defensive than offensive, meaning he only attacks those that try to do him harm or that make him mad. He's never been one to hurt any and everything in his path. In Hulk vs. Thor, I will admit that he was just smashing just to be smashing lol.
P.S. There is a what-if comic based on Planet Hulk. In the explosion that killed his wife (didn't really kill so much as she gave her life to protect her unborn child), the what-if scenario is what if it was Hulk that was killed instead of her. She goes on to go to earth and pretty much take over everything and becomes queen of the planet. -
Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 22, 2010 12:08 AM)
@CannonRose
"They didn't mention it in the movie for obvious reasons lol Whobesides sick and perverted people, want to see a group of 15 year old boys fool around with a 15 year old? And they did mention that "It" in it's true form resembled a spider-like creature. Even in the tv movie it wasn't exactly a spider."
I never said that anyone should "see" anything. King didn't really get into any great detail in the book, either. He just kinda mentioned it. I guess he's just sick and perverted that way. My point is that they don't always put material from a book into a movie. (ex. Planet Hulk) Another reason is that it was made for tv and that subject matter would never fly on tv.
And my point about the spider was that I think it's kinda stupid that all of their encounters are with the clown and then when it comes to the big showdown they fight a giant spider that really has no personality at all. Talk about a huge letdown character wise. I'm pretty sure Tim Curry has a lot better acting chops than the 50ft spider that ate New York. That scene could have went so much better. And that goes for the movie as well as the book. They really screwed up in the movie by giving the spider those stupid googly eyes. It just made the whole scene laughable.
"Anyways, I agree with the others. I do like to see Hulk smash but at the same time I don't want that to be his whole reason for existing."
I didn't say it should be his whole reason for existing. I said I just like my Hulk a little more smashy. And like I said, I don't think the movie was a total wash. I would even go so far as to say I enjoyed it. But there were just certain aspects regarding the Hulk that seemed a little bit unbelievable to me. To each his own, I guess.
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adamgetz — 16 years ago(February 23, 2010 04:36 PM)
Dang Kenny why were you so defensive in the first place?
All Manny basically said in the beginning is you should check out the comic book.
And criticizing the movie adaptation for Planet Hulk is like criticizing a video game based off the Matrix.
Why would you get mad at somebody for telling you to look at the source material?
And if you didn't know about it, so what?
Planet Hulk is one of the few graphic novel's esp. from Marvel that I've ever read, and it was very popular. I don't have time to keep up with monthly comics but I've read that. And this movie was based off it.
Someone was right to bring it up.
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Kenny_Tha_Killa — 16 years ago(February 23, 2010 05:06 PM)
@adamgetz:
"Dang Kenny why were you so defensive in the first place?"
Well I guess maybe you didn't read his entire post. He called me a "complete idiot" so technically, he was the one that started off with the attitude. I tend to get a little defensive when name calling is brought into the picture.
Plus he wasn't just saying to look at the source material. He was saying I was an idiot because I didn't know about certain things that were in the movie because they didn't explain it very well. I don't believe you should have to go read a book before or after watching a movie to know what's going on.
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adamgetz — 16 years ago(February 24, 2010 07:28 PM)
Guess you got me there. He shouldn't of called you an idiot
And you don't HAVE to look at the source material for something like this, but doing so makes you a more reliable source to give an informed opinion, and also know more about what's going on.
For instance, you didnt like "their" version of the hulk, but they lifted that right out of the comic, the movie didn't invent that. Plus it would of been incongruent with comics that have since came out like World War Hulk..where he still has that more intelligent seeming aspect to him..so maybe the overall character's personality has changed a little and thats the old Hulk, who knows? But it more likely has to do with the comic's writer and marvel first, instead of whoever wrote the movie.
Anyway i agree with you about the name calling.
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MoviemanJF — 14 years ago(October 07, 2011 11:32 PM)
Yeah, well you aren't being a complete idiot, you're just a little ignorant. Research before complaining. I find it interesting you said you read 30+ years of history of comics, but know so little about the Hulk. Understandably, you said you're a Spidey guy and right on in that sense, so I'd be fine with you not knowing about the Hulk. Just step down when someone calls you out on not knowing too much about it, don't get so defensive man. It's no big deal. I don't know much about, say, Dr. Strange but if I posted "Please, having Dr. Strange the sorcerer supreme have a house on Bleeker street? Lame!" And someone said "Dude, he's lived in one since 1963. Moron." You look it up and go "Yeah, I guess you're right. My bad." You brought up some good points but so did he. No need to get defensive because he disputed some of the stuff you said.
You said you liked Hulk the way Stan created him- all smashy smashy no talky. I find this interesting as in the very first Hulk he talked. A lot. He's the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde mentality but he's more of a Frankenstein's monster (the book Frankenstein, not the movies). He comes off as a monster, but he really just wants to be left alone. Hulk's been able to talk pretty proficiently for a while now, man. To be honest, he's talked more than he's just spouted off monosyllabic threats.
You're entitled to your opinion, but don't get so defensive when someone calls you out on poor research. It's true the whole "A+ fer bieng a tootle idjit LULZ I M SEW GRAET" was dumb and out of line. He was just trying to wave his johnson around. He's being a dick but for the most part he's right with what he's saying. Don't be a sore loser, especially when you are dipping down to his level to do it. -
Kenny_Tha_Killa — 14 years ago(October 08, 2011 02:19 AM)
I would like to be able to consider what you said, but pretty much everything you said after calling me ignorant didn't have much value. Not to mention, if you had read what I said for comprehension, you wouldn't have found a need to post anything in the first place. If you'd bothered to pay attention, the defensive part came about because of his insults. So I was well within my rights to get defensive.
And I never said Hulk NEVER talked, but it doesn't matter because that wasn't even the issue the issue was his insults. So thanks for all your unwanted advice about what I should and shouldn't do, but with all due respect, mind your own business. If I want to go off on somebody for throwing around insults, I will do so and I don't need a total stranger with a morality complex butting in to tell me how I should act.
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adam-sonson — 14 years ago(December 10, 2011 10:38 PM)
You got to read more of the comics man. I'm tired of origins bull and should just keep moving with the story. Approx during the late 80's to early 90's he melds his mind with Bruce so their one. And if you like the Godzilla like stuff. He goes back to Earth after the ship he landed on his new home planet with, destroy's most of his kingdom and his queen. He kicks almost every Marvel heroes ass including the Ironman and makes them fight each other as a lesson. That's badass. And if you still hate the new stuff don't worry. There will always be another origins movie, cartoon or another back to the start series we seen a million times again and again and again like X-men, Spiderman, Punisher and the Hulk. Even if it sucks. Some people like classics go read and watch the classics. For me I want follow ups on stories even if it sucks. Everybody's different.
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Dream_Demon — 13 years ago(May 07, 2012 01:43 PM)
Well after reading this entire thread, I agree with Kenny_Tha_Killa when it comes to the insults. Nobody should really be insulted unless they're being a complete jackass and Kenny_Tha_Killa wasn't being one despite complaining about this movie. Thus, he doesn't need to be insulted.
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