'What I hate is agnosticism…'
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talkinhorse — 13 years ago(August 22, 2012 06:59 PM)
I would say most agnostics are fools because they are inconsistent in their beliefs. They deny the existence of some supernatural entities like the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus, but when another equally improbable and absurd supernatural being is mentioned, they suddenly start waxing philosophical about the limits of science and the human senses. It's funny how selective they are.
Your classification seems to include anyone who isn't an atheist. And the foundation you deride is sensible enough. It was my technical education that convinced me materialism was inadequate to
entirely
explain the human experience. If we're not entirely natural, then we must have a touch of the supernatural. That's what I get from science. If you buy that (yeah, some don't), the key question becomes: What
is
this supernatural component? Would it be the God of the Bible, or the Tooth Fairy, or a giant flying spaghetti monster? I answer that question with another question: If we know what science
doesn't
tell us, then we understand what's needed to make the model complete, and we look to fill that void. I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy because a Tooth Fairy doesn't fill the missing piece of the puzzle, but it does conflict with Newtonian physics.
As far as agnostics go, I understand people that scratch their heads in confub68sion. The ones I don't understand are indifferent people. Seems a pretty important question to me. -
crujones-1 — 17 years ago(November 13, 2008 11:02 PM)
Being an agnostic is incredibly simple compared to being a true beleiver or an atheist. Saying your agnostic is saying, "I just don't know". There is not enough proof on either side of the argument. Your comment "How can agnostics be stupid for being unsure about something that can't be seen, heard and touched?" For a Christian or Atheist, "How can you be stupid of being SURE about something that can't be seen, heard and touched?"
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lukaslukas — 17 years ago(November 15, 2008 05:46 PM)
Atheists say they don't believe in things there is no evidence for. They are not saying they are sure of something. And if they do, it's just a practical conclusion.
Are you also agnostic about unicorns and the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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JimmyZappa — 17 years ago(November 18, 2008 12:21 PM)
I'm an agnostic and happy for it. As humans we'll never truly know what's going on in our lifetimes, life is too mysterious. When we solve one thing, we either keep it or rewrite it as we go along. And even then, the important questions in life are never answered. Or never gonna be answered, ever.
Besides, we just have beliefs and theories. Neither are truly fact (though i'm willing to side with theories just for the sake of the argument). And it's a little narrowminded to think that if we are indecisive about life beyond then we should be decisive on things like unicrons and griffins. It's not just the man made God and the moral Jesus we are indecisive about. If a God does exist, it can easily be explained as a force more than a personification of an invisible old guy living in the clouds. I'm open to the belief that there's something out there we don't know about, rather than just flat out disbelieve or worship something that just isn't provable.
But I choose not to be bothered with such things. Life is too short either way. Whether we continue to live or eternally rest in peace, bottom line is we'll never live this life ever again. Live the moment and make the most of it, that's what's really important.
Stuff like this reminds me of "Movie Poop Shoot.com" from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. -
Kockunge — 16 years ago(April 19, 2009 11:46 AM)
a persons rational mind is a very small part of what it means to be a person I think. to intellectually denounce a God is one thing, althou opinions doesnt always come from rational.
A need for God can maybe be explained by want of security and meaning. What happens after ew die for ex. And sure, maybe its just the fear of death that is scary, not death itself.
And we have already been "dead" once (at least), before we were born? As far as we know, since we only can look at death from the outside.
But Im just saying, u might not have an idea what youre capable of beliving. Like in the Matrix."Being the ONE is like being in LOVE, you just know it!!"
Maybe its the same with beliving in God. I mean God is said to be love. not like love, BE love. Maybe we could learn exactly why people fall in love. But still its not the part of our brain that has to do with reason. it just IS. And since its not that part of the brainmaybe KNOWING WITH LOGIC if there is a God is impossible? Feelings are thus like another SEPERATE "WORLD" OF PERCEPTION??? Maybe you cant get to it with logic ever?
Sorry this is really hippie-ranting I know!!And theres still just the "I dont know" thing but anywayI just think that logic is a dogma, or an "-ism" like all the others. A point of view, nothing more. Its not a complete final approach to life above all else! And theres always something you havent thought of, or experienced!!
I dont like when people knock on my door trying to "peddle" Jesus on me. But I wouldnt wanna try and impose my "atheism" on them either.
I think its extremly arrogant to say that there is no God, as an "objective truth for everyone". I can only say that I dont belive.
Sayin THIS IS THE TRUTH . is why there are so many wars! I BELIEVE
But yeah, relativism is a selective viewpoint aswell. But I dont think its better then anyone elses to start with. Not that I thought you thought that about your views eather.
Maybe some people think they dont NEED the idea of God, and maybe thats because they dont "underst111cand" that there going to die???? Nevermind proof of God. I have NO IDEA what Im gonna FEEL in my last moments!
Im NOT a believer. Yet.
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mjilek — 17 years ago(November 22, 2008 06:04 AM)
Agnost5b4ics are right up there with the ever "important" undecided voter. Can't wait for the book on the great undecided people. Should be a best seller
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