He never gets hit!!!
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dolemite72 — 9 years ago(April 22, 2016 04:21 AM)
He takes a lot more hits, than you give him credit for. But I guess he'd be a lousy spokesperson for Aikido (itself, primarily a self-defence art) if people managed to hit him all the time?
That's why I like his fights.They seem more realistic. Getting beat-up within an inch of your life, then coming back at the last second is fine in the ROCKY movies.but it rarely happens in real life.
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marimbafon — 9 years ago(July 17, 2016 12:15 AM)
His movie are not a depiction of real life to begin with lol. To have a worthy opponent once in a while would be a nice change of pace.
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dolemite72 — 9 years ago(July 20, 2016 02:16 PM)
And that's what set's him apart from his peers. The brutality of his fight scenes. If you accept the fact that he's mastered an art that can easily manipulate and break an opponents limbs, then it's going to be a pretty short fight (regardless of your perception of how realistic his movies should or shouldn't be)
Getting beat up within an inch of your life, then coming back at the last second for victory is fine (like I said) in a Stallone movie (that seems to be the theme to his 'work'2000)
But Seagal is a genre all to himself.
It's not about flashy, ineffective acrobatics or last minute redemption.it's about taking out the enemy as fast and as violently as possible (akin to Jason Vorhees) And expecting an eleventh hour change from Seagal at this stage in the game, prevents you (and others like you) enjoying what are otherwise, fun, gritty pulpy B-movie thrillers.
It's a formula that brought great success to Seagal.so why break it?
The formula being:
Act 1 - Bad guys mess with Seagal
Act 2 - Seagal kills everyone
That's all folks!
Look at my other post on this thread which points out the many times the badguys have actually gotten to him in previous moviesit's more than you give him credit for?
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dolemite72 — 9 years ago(July 22, 2016 03:36 AM)
And he does get hit in a lot of his fight scenes (or at very least attacked) which is why it's handy to be a master of readdressed force.no?
How many real-life fist fights last longer than 30 seconds? (and don't involve extensive grappling)
If you want to breakdown the entire omnipotenceof Seagal, it seems like the question you're actually asking is "HE NEVER GETS KILLED IN EVERY MOVIE" It's a given fact that no-one is undefeatable.
Which leads me to believe that all the haters around here have clearly wasted nearly 30 years of their lives watching Seagal play (essentially) the same character.and still expect change in (what must be) his twilight years as an action star (despite his already huge ego, persona and status)
I've already gave a list of the instances that he's been hit/hurt/shot or killed in his movies, further down on this threadyet no-one seems to want to address such trivialities?
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marimbafon — 9 years ago(July 26, 2016 12:11 PM)
Look, Seagal's movies are not supposed to be realistic in the first place. Him b238eating 10 guns without a sweat, that's fine with me, coz it's fun. But at least once, someone would need to make him sweat in a fight, to show that there's some threat involved.
Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee have met their matches in their movies, why can't Seagal do the same? Why can't he have a fight for his life, before he beats down an overweight dude who is high on drugs?
Look, don't get me wrong, I love Seagal, but even as a kid I thought that Out For Justice's climax was just utterly ridiculous (but I still enjoy it). Action movies are not supposed5b4 to be realistic, giving him a real fight would have given more for the fans to talk about. -
dolemite72 — 9 years ago(July 28, 2016 06:20 AM)
Yes, I get what you're sayingbut like I said Seagal is his own 'genre'
People still watch his movies, not to see if he'll defeat his enemies.but merely when and how. If this was a moot point for you at OUT FORJUSTICE (his fourth movie) and that 25 years (and almost 50 movies) later, he still remains omnipotent..I'd hardly expect an eleventh hour change in his fight scenes (however much it may be needed)
If anything, his 'undefeatable' stance to his fight scenes has gotten worse in his latter movies (this is a combination of ego and the fact that his coreography and work-ethic isn't what he used to be either) unlike say, Eastwood, Stallone or even Schwarzenegger..Seagal doesn't want to show the older, weaker, doubtful side of his mortality. Seagal probably still sees himself as Nico Toscani, and still has enough clout in the (allbeit, smaller) DTV industry to still call the shots in regards to rewrites, direction, dialogue, hiring and firing.
Seagal's ego wouldn't allow it.and to be honest the only way it could be made remotely viable, would be to pair him up against another Aikidoa..but then, that in theory would be like pitting two goalkeepers against each other. Aikido is defence, so needs offence..and for Seagal to let his defence slip, would be doing his craft (and lifetimes studies) a disservice. I can sort of see the logic in that (but I'll wager it's also 80% ego fuelled?)
But for what it's worth I did compile a semi-detailed list of all the hits he's taken over the years (further down on this thread)
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DoctorDraconian — 9 years ago(May 02, 2016 09:40 AM)
To be fair, he died in Executive Decision when shutting himself out of a flying airplane to save Kurt Russell.
Kurt: "we're not gonna make it!"
Steven: "You are!!"
Also, he got shot to death in Mechete. He actually played a bad guy (drug lord) and had a funny accent too! -
bluefarmer14 — 9 years ago(May 09, 2016 01:02 PM)
You are absolutely right, although he died on (Executive Decision), he got very angry when he found out, the drama should be available on the Internet, but long sto1908ry short he never died again in a movie, hes too good and important on his head for that.
Even on machete he makes fun of the audience by saying hes only dying because he wants to.
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dolemite72 — 9 years ago(May 24, 2016 11:54 AM)
After reading endless threads about how omnipotent Seagal appears in his movies, I thought I'd invest a bit of effort in compiling a list of times that Seagal is hit in his movies. And going from memory (without actually rewatching all the movies) you'll find that he takes a lot more punishment, than his detractors give him (dis)credit for?
Above The Law: Drugged and Beaten
Hard To Kill: Shot and put in a coma
Marked For Death: knocked unconscious by henchmen and punched/headslammed several times by Screwface.
Out For Justice: Hit with a pool cue and later shot in the stomach
Under Siege: Cut with hooks on his back and a knife slash to his eye
On Deadly Ground: Blown up
Under Siege 2: Shot, punched and kicked to the head
The Glimmer Man: Kicked in the stomach, punched in the nose
Executive Decision: (spoiler alert) KILLED
Exit Wounds: Punched, kicked
Half Past Dead: Shot, punched
The Foreigner: Knocked unconscious, strangled, tortured
Belly Of The Beast: Punched, kicked
Clementine: Punched, kicked, defeated in combat.
Out Of Reach: Punched
Into The Sun: Kicked
Submereged: Kicked
Black Dawn: Punched
Attack Force: Punched, knocked down and horrendously dubbed
Urban Justice: Shot
Kill Switch: Punched on several occasions
Driven To Kill: Punched and Kicked in the final fight
The Keeper: Shot and hospitalised
Machete: Stabbed and killed (although slightly suicidal)
Not to mention the fact that the bad guys always manage to hurt his feelings in EVERY movie
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itemtotem-25769 — 9 years ago(June 05, 2016 10:34 PM)
You are forgetting that Seagal has been Deified by the Dalai Lama. That is why he doesn't get hit; the japanese people consider him to be a God.
There are other subtle cues pointing to that in many of his films
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