The Political Beltran
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vecchiola-2 — 20 years ago(January 15, 2006 03:12 PM)
Its obvious you didnt understand what you read.
Its an organization devoted to science, classical literature, physical economy, cognitive thinking and most importantly the future of mankind. There's nothing mystical about that. If you think thats crazy, then you might want to take a look at your own life. I bet you fill it with sports, movies, stupid literature and arbitrariness? Just a guess.
Wether you believe their thoughts on political conspiracy is really a historical problem. Look at what the Bush government, the free trade system has done to America's (and the worlds) economy. Look at the situation in the Middl5b4e East. Look at the assasination attempts of people like JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King, FDR, De Gaulle. All attempts to get rid of the American tradition of general wellfare. Its a ideological fight thats been going on for 1000's of years: Should a few people be very rich on behalf of others, or do we want everybody to live and live well.
This is something I know Beltran is into, and I think its very bold and an admirable cause. If you dont agree you're the insane one.
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sndpul — 20 years ago(February 03, 2006 10:56 AM)
If I don't agree with you then I'm the insane one? That is certainly a retarded argument if I ever heard one!
Your guess as to what I do with my free time couldn't possibly be more incorrect. Damn, you sure are a funny one. I wonder, who are you to determine what literature is "worthy" of being read, what movies are worth watching, or what people do with their free time? I'll bet you think that you are quite intelligent. Just a guess.
The fact of the matter is, LaRouche is truly kooky, and has been for years. He's totally out there orbitting some far-off star along with Alan Keyes. I'm surprised that they haven't gone crowd-surfing together.
An organization devoted to "science, classical literature, physical economy, cognitive thinking and most importantly the future of mankind" is certainly a noble undertaking. However, having LaRouche associated with it undermines the credibility.
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vecchiola-2 — 20 years ago(February 09, 2006 05:19 PM)
Well, I do believe that Im intelligent, but thats beside the point.
If you bother to read the rest I think we could actually have a good conversation instead of throwing mud, cause you sound like a decent fella, and I didnt intend to make it sound otherwise.
Its not about me deciding what is worth watching. Its about that some things work better than others and make our lives better. Some literature does, and some doesnt. A lot of literature, movies, computer games you name it doesnt improve anything, but just screw up peoples heads. People may have fun doing it but it like peeing your pants (warm at first, but cold in the long run). Look at how people get addicted to alcohol, drugs, internet games, cigarettes etc. Would you say thats healthy? It might be what they want to do at the time, but once they get out of it, they dont want to go back in there. It might be a harsh resemblance, but I think its some of the same thing.
It may not be the intention of the author/director to hurt people (mostly its just about making money), but thats how it works on others nevertheless. Being careless can be just as hurtful as bad intentions.
What people do what their freetime, is not for anyone to "decide", but Im sure you'll agree that its a better idea to read Shakespeare etc than watch Wrestling. Its not a matter of "what do I like", but simply a matter of our society not surviving if everyone watches wrestling all the time (no matter how fun it might be). Especially in times like these where everybody have their own plan or dream and nobody cares about the common good.
What our culture should do is seek truth. Not a truth that someone throws over your head, but the truth that really exists in our universe (universal principles such as Da Vinci's Golden Section or the force of gravity). Martin Luther King made a suggestion to turn peace into a science and investigate if its a universal principle. I think thats a very interesting idea. MLK's old friend andally Emilia Boyton Robinson is actually the vice-president of LaRouche's organization (aka the Schiller Institute), so I think that speaks something for him.
What the public has done to LaRouche is take some quotes of his that are completely out of context, and reinterpret them. This is both because he opposes very powerfull people, and because public opinion really doesnt give a beep when it comes to what is true. Most people rather believe the version that doesnt contradict with the way they live and think. Its easier than to have to change the way you live. Plus the kook story is always funnier.
So when LaRouche doesnt run around and rub himself in beep and eat worms like most kooks, he works with the democratic party in a coalition against the current government. A coalition that includes John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Harry Reid amongst others. I agree that he's not ordinary, but not many scieb68ntists or intellectuals are either.
When it comes to it, its really a matter of who to believe, and I hate to say you cant trust the printed press on this one.
Hope some of this made sense as Ive written it at a pretty late hour, and I hope that you're up for a discussion on this. -
TiminPhoenix — 18 years ago(August 16, 2007 12:45 AM)
It's a nutjob group and anyone who belongs to a Nutjob group thusly gets the title of being one.
Beltran is a whiny and complaining actor. He also admits to giving crappy performances when the makers of Voyager wouldn't do things his way.
He is a perfect example of a leftist.
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Voynut — 18 years ago(August 16, 2007 01:11 AM)
Sorry, I don't agree. I consider myself a (UK) Conservative voter, but I don't agree with every one of their ideas/policies. It is possible to take what you find good about a stance and support it while not agreeing with everything. The day a political party/ethos manages to come up with a 100%supportable manifesto is the day pink things that go 'Oink!' will take to the skies grin I'm sure there are large parts of what LaRouche touts that Beltran doesn't support or agree with, but that doesn't mean he can't see some ideas that appeal to him overall
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anniehumph — 18 years ago(August 17, 2007 12:34 AM)
Wellanother insane one named Hitler had a youth movement too.
It is very common for political parties to have their own youth groups/movements, at least in europe, who have their meetings and are going on the streets talking with ppl, giving flyers ect. ect.!
That has nothing to do with Hitler and any comparison only shows ignorance.
Not many in the age of 18 and younger are interested into politics and we all can be glad if there are some who CARE about that what is going on on this world.
And we can be proud of them for having the guts to talk with people and that they are able to think on their own, instead of swimming with the mainstream and swallowing down anything that's served from manipulated medias.
What Robert Beltran is doing with his Drama Workshops is wonderful, he is a big help for them. In this organisation they not only try to save what others distroy, but also they try to become better people. They are working hard to find out who they truely are and want to help others to find their own, true, way.
Wake up sleepers, before it's too late!
@vecchiola-2
Very well said, i agree with you 100%.
Though a discussion with people who believe any beep rumor and make their minds up before knowing/understanding all facts is not worth the effort.
It's not that they can't understand but rather don't want to and would defend their crap even if you give them facts and have better arguments.
Especially on anonymouse messageboards discussions are difficulty to do, most prefer to attack instead. Give your statement and leave it by that, best you can do. IMHO -
sndpul — 18 years ago(November 07, 2007 07:10 PM)
Here is an incredibly long article on the LaRouche movement, if anyone cares to read it.
It perfectly sums up "why" this LaRouche stuff is so crazy. Although long, I actually found it quite fascinating and disturbing.
http://www2.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0711.klein.html
TimInPhoenix.
"It's a nutjob group and anyone who belongs to a Nutjob group thusly gets the title of being one..He is a perfect example of a leftist."
No, he is not a "perfect example of a leftist". I am a major leftist myself, and I find this LaRouche stuff appalling.
Oh, and if you'd read the article I posted the link to, you'd see that LaRouche has actually aligned himself quite a bit with the right, particularly during the Reagan yearsso you can stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
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anniehumph — 18 years ago(November 08, 2007 04:17 PM)
Why don't you read this?
British Press and Officials Caught Lying in Duggan Affair
the link:
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2007/3438brut_press_lying.html
One says this, the other that - you better never trust the press. -
sndpul — 18 years ago(December 18, 2007 09:59 AM)
anniehumph says:
Why don't you read this?
British Press and Officials Caught Lying in Duggan Affair
the link: http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2007/3438brut_press_lying.html
One says this, the other that - you better never trust the press.
I read it. And about 2 seconds of using my powers of GoogleFu turned up this:
The article that you have referred me too was published in a publication that is owned/run/controlled by "LaRouche Publications".
So, um.nice try, I guess. -
anniehumph — 18 years ago(December 18, 2007 11:21 AM)
This is the copy of the Metropolitan Police report, I'm sure that you didn't dare to read this.
And it does surprise me that you needed GOOGLE to find out that it is from a LaRouche newspaper, since the URL shows it clearly.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2007/3439duggan_police_rpt.pdf -
Pharaoh Osmosis — 14 years ago(July 04, 2011 05:42 AM)
"Lyndon LaDouche is a commie, and like all commies, b68needs to be eliminated! GO McCARTHY!!" - leosgr8
LOL. Nice satire!
Of course LaRouche isn't a Communist, and most Marxists at least do not particularly like him or his politics. Some don't dislike him, but many do. Either way he is a "Liberal" and "Reformist" not a "Leftist" in the correct sense (AKA more akin to Karl Marx and William Morris than, say, President Obama or Jimmy Carter).
I'm a Marxist myself.
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rrandcoyote — 18 years ago(January 23, 2008 07:20 AM)
You are lucky! I saw the workshops on the internet; they're available thru the LaRouche web and the links are also a Roadbe under the video section.
I was particularly impressed with his ability as a coach/director/instructor. I thought he was sensitive and supportive and created a safe space for the young actors to work. It shows that he's a life-long learner, and therefore a good teacher.
I always hope that everyone gets a chance to follow their bliss. I hope he gets the opportunity to do more of what he loves.
I think he put the whole Trek thing in perspective in a Sci-Fi channel chat:
"My family is just happy that I'm working."
It's just a job, and there's nothing wrong with that!
