What is she mixed with?
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(December 15, 2010 09:58 PM)
Yes she liked him, and no she wasn't forced, my grand-father also had a younger sister, as well as his twin-brother, her children all had his last name, and my grand-father had pictures of himself when he was younger with his white cousins, we went to a family reunion once or twice with my grandfather, and there are pictures of my great-grandmother with my great-father.
It wasn't uncommon for whites to be with blacks even in the south willingly, people do sometimes like or love people from other races. Look at Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings it's believed that he fathered all six of her children some died in infancy, but Sally Hemings' children were light-skinned, and three of them her daughter Harriet and sons Beverly (Beverly can be a man name, befor2000e anyone says anything.) and Eston lived as members of white society as adults.
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marbleann — 15 years ago(January 11, 2011 10:28 AM)
It wasn't uncommon for whites to be with blacks even in the south willingly, people do sometimes like or love people from other races. Look at Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings it's believed that he fathered all six of her children some died in infancy, but Sally Hemings' children were light-skinned, and three of them her daughter Harriet and sons Beverly (Beverly can be a man name, before anyone says anything.) and Eston lived as members of white society as adults.
I am sure there were loving interracial relationships in the south but a slave holder and his slave was not one of them. Sally Hemings herself lived as a white adult after that pedophile finally gave her and Tom their freedom after he died. She was almost white looking herself because her mother, a slave was raped by a ships captain on the way to America. I guess that was a loving relationship too. Even though she was half white old Tom didn't give her the freedom he promised her and the child she was carrying and her brother if she returned to the US from France where she could of lived as a free person. This was not a love relationship. Oh and there is no proof they had more then one child. He would not acknowledge any. Sally was in a concubine like all the other widowed slave holders had. She was a slave. And falling in love with with the person who holds you captive is a mental illness called the Stockholm Syndrome. Does anybody want to believe that is what she suffered from? So what did he suffer from? Pedophilia, and being a dead beat dad and a liar?
The irony is that not only white people want to progress the theory that a 15 year old girl or any slave could have a long loving relationship with a person a person who owned them, or as you stated "It wasn't uncommon for whites to be with blacks even in the south willingly".. because they want to minimize the evil of slavery and the idea of their ancestors being rapist. Understandable, who wants to admit that their great great great grand-pappy might be a rapist. But I believe a lot black people also like to progress this theory because no one wants to believe one of their relatives were raped. And they are indeed products of it. The shame of rape. Even though it is not the victim who needs to be ashamed it is the rapist. But even in society today people believe the victim is somehow culpable. Not understandable. That is a shame too. -
knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(January 11, 2011 10:52 AM)
You can't honestly think that all slave owners forced themselves on their slaves. It's not minimize anything I'm going by actual historical facts.
I advise you look up age of consent laws, no one was raping young girls, at that moment in time it was legal in the thirteen colonies just as it was in Africa, and all other parts of the world. Africans, just like Native American Indians took slaves after battling other tribes, and the victors would take the youngest women to their beds either willingly or by force.
Sally Hemings children went to white schools and someone paid for their education, and they lived among whites not blacks.
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marbleann — 15 years ago(January 11, 2011 11:50 AM)
The average age of marriage in the 18 century was 23 for women and 26 for men. INFO Please. The higher classes was slightly lower. I was shocked to read that before because I always thought people were much younger.
What slave would willingly have sex with someone who owned them and treated them like animals and thought of them as animals? So yes I believe slaveholders who did have sex with their slaves forced themselves. It was a subordinate relationship. One cannot consent in a that type of relationship. It is like a student having sex with their teacher..worse then that because the teacher at least doesn't own the student. Free the slave maybe then they can talk about having sex. But that didn't happen. Old Tom didn't do that. Nothing like having a sex slave at your disposal.
Slaves could not even vote. Even though the south wanted to count all of the slaves for representation in congress. So they only counted 3/5ths of us. So all of a sudden we can consent when it comes to having sex? We could not be married legally to another slave, but we can consent to have sex with our owner? We were not able to learn to read or write, but we were smart enough to consent to have sex with our owner? A slave owner had no business having sex with the slaves..PERIOD! But then again he owned them so he could do what he wanted to to with them. A so called fair one who treated his slaves halfway ok would not being having sex with his slaves in the first place. You get my point? In saying that I do not believe all slave owners had sex with their slaves. But Tom Jefferson was not one of them. -
knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(January 11, 2011 01:38 PM)
No it wasn't, I advise you check the actual laws everyone knows this, it's even documented in open court records for marriages and the ages of the people involved.
Sources.
Stephen Robertson, University of Sydney, Australia (2007-11-29). "Children and Youth in History | Age of Consent Laws". Chnm.gmu.edu.
http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230?section=primarysources&am p;source=24
"Campaign to Raise the Legal Age of Consent, 1885-1914, Lesson Plan". Womhist.alexanderstreet.com.
http://womhist.alexanderstreet.com/teacher/aoc.htm
The fact that there was campaign to raise the laws show that you are in error, I advise you
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(March 10, 2011 06:13 AM)
IMDb information is edited by users, so unless you can cite a source e.g. news article, video, fool remain silent and remove all doubt that you're a fool.
Yeah Tiger Woods father's family use to claim they were mixed with some Chinese in their family line but considering his father was from Kansas even the census statistic make that claim false and highly unlikely there were not enough Chinese in Kansas for something like that to happen, Native American Indians do share mongoloid DNA, and most likely this is where the resemblance to someone from China.
Only a fool would believe what IMDb has on it's site. I've seen information on this site about friends of mine on here who are in the business that is clearly wrong, I've also seen the wrong dates of birth, height, and even quotes that an actor clearly didn't make.
Ms. Grier was born in the South, I'm not saying she isn't mixed, but with the miscegenation laws that were in effect even before she was born the mixing of races was punishable by imprisonment and sometimes forced sterilization if the person were found guilty of a felony.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(March 10, 2011 08:50 AM)
Again fool where, and exactly where in my post did I say she wasn't mixed, I question with what there is difference, and you're too stupid to tell the difference, again find that news source where she stated these so called facts. She becuase someone says they're mixed with something doesn't make it so, again there are facts, with knowledgeable proof, and belief, there is a difference, I, you and anyone else can believe wha1ebctever we like, it doesn't make it true or factual knowledge, again you're too stupid to know the difference troll.
You trolled on here and left me two dumb ass foolish responses without any facts, again fool find a verifiable news source.
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One her family didn't move to Colorado until she in high school, and this is just a collection of quotes she's actually made and are attributed to Ms. Grier, and there isn't one where she says anything about her race.
Except for the one where she ask "Well who's black and what is a black person?" and "Does a black person make them an African American? No. There are Hispanics that are very, very dark skinned so the word has lost its meaning, it's not a very concise or proper word to use even today and it wasn't then."
, and I agree with her statement fool, I have a friend who is Hispanic and is the same complexion as me, and she's not mixed her father is from Cuba her mother was born in Guatemala and raised in Mexico.
So again, what is black, and the last time I checked you can be African-American and be white, since anyone coming from Africa and having a child here could be considered under that terminology. Charlize Theron became a naturalized U.S. citizen if she had a child in the U.S. it would be an African-American.
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I find it odd you didn't post that news source. There are quotes of her saying a lot of things all over the internet, yet none of these sites has that quote that is listed on IMDb or the source of the quote. There are numerous sites with her quotes and that one isn't on any of them.
She is quoted as saying, "And as I reinvent myself and I'm constantly curious about everything, I can't wait to see what's around the corner in newfound art and entertainment and exploration." Did she say she was mixed in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s? or is it a reinvention for this decade.
Again I'll go with Ms. McNair's quote
"Lenny Bruce used to say about me that I was a Caucasian, that someone took a paintbrush and painted me brown. White people are not aware that Negroes look all kinds of different ways."
, and they don't have to be mixed and that is a true statement.
Because Africans in Egypt don't resemble Africans in Zimbabwe or Nigeria or sub-Saharan regions of Africa, but some of them do, and they're not mixed.
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leroyol — 15 years ago(December 06, 2010 12:48 PM)
"People see me as a strong black figure, and I'm proud of that," says Grier, 60. "But I'm a mix of several races: Hispanic, Chinese, Filipino. My dad was black, and my mom was Cheyenne Indian. So you look at things beyond just race, she adds. Or even religion: I was raised Catholic, baptized a Methodist, and almost married a Muslim."
(I posted the interview where it comes from HER mouth)
http://www.cleveland.com/goingout/index.ssf/2010/09/pam_grier_queen_of _1970s_blaxp.html
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LTUM — 15 years ago(December 15, 2010 05:42 PM)
her word on it is not final verification. one would have to dig out birth records and such, and thats a lot of trouble.
i dont remember her mom being indian. maybe part, but not full. i have seen lots of pics of her family in the old days and her mom looked african to me.
either way, she shore is fine. like, wow
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(December 15, 2010 11:03 PM)
I live in Denver in the same neighborhood she grew up in and a girl I dated lived in the house she grew up in and had to move out when Grier's father gave the house to Ms. Grier and her mother doesn't look native American Indian.
Look at the actor/director Georg Stanford Brown was born in Cuba 1943, looks black, and played roles as a black man even though he's not African American, he was married to a white actor named Tyne Daly and one of their daughters Kathryne Dora Brown is also an actor and she does look mixed
http://www.imdb.com/name/n2000m0113972/
but people who are mixed all take on different physical characteristics.
I've never looked at Pam Grier and though of her as being mixed, but it's interesting Ms. Brown was in the movie "The Tiger Woods Story" done in to 90s, and his father is also mixed, and talks about his mother having blonde hair, and she was also mixed. At one time it was believed Tiger Wood's father was mixed with Chinese as well, but it's been confirmed that it's more likely Native American Indian since again they share common genetic markers with people in China, and the Mongolian regions of Asia.
As I stated to another poster blacks and whites, and even other races was more common than a lot of people think. Most people these days are more than likely mixed with some other race or ethnicity. After the genome project they found Native Americans who had common ancestors with people living in Germany.
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FoxyGeek — 15 years ago(December 22, 2010 11:09 AM)
OMG!!!! Here we go again. I've already posted it on here, but it was a loooonnngggg time ago. Anyway, I had a feeling that she was mixed before I even looked it up and found out about it. Yes, she is mixed. I knew she was. What's the big deal? There are many mixed people. Some who "look" mixed and those who are mixed but don't "look" mixed by the standards of society. Mixed is mixed, and that's the bottom line.
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(December 22, 2010 01:13 PM)
No one stated she wasn't mixed, they asked if she were, and most blacks born in the U.S. are mixed, but someone posted she stated she was mixed with Chinese and Filipino and that is a bit of a stretch even Tiger Wood's father has stated that he may be mixed with Chinese, but when you look at where tiger Woods father and grand-parents came from in Kansas there were not that many if any Chinese people living in the U.S., even in Colorado where I and Ms. Grier are both from there are not a lot of Chinese people living in Colorado now.
In the area of north east Denver where she grew up tat one time there were some Japanese families living in the area after World War II, but they kept to themselves, and most of the families moved out of that area, which was predominately black, although the demographic started shifting several years ago to white and Hispanic. She was born in North Carolina,
So just because it was posted and they claim she stated it, again I would find it very interesting to see her family tree and see someone of Filipino or Chinese ancestry. There are quite a few Native American Indians in Colorado, and it would be more feasible that some of her ancestors were Native American Indian like my family, and I have several friends who are Native American Indian and people think they're Chinese or Japanese.
It's not like Pam Grier or her parents were just born recently, but i saw a post that stated she was Native American, European, and Asian ancestry, again Native American's have been shown to have DNA closely related to Asians, and I haven't seen anywhere online where she herself stated anything about her family background, I've seen a lot of post and articles stating what she is mixed, but is not her saying it.
I've never doubted she was mixed, I just question the articles stating what she's mixed with, and as I stated about Tiger Woods father he's mixed but not with what he thought he was mixed with early in his life, and that he was mixed with some Chinese, and records showed and account for most of the Chinese living in Kansas at that time, and one being with someone black would have stood out.
Which is more than likely true for Ms. Grier's family, a black person with an Asian in the south, it's possible but highly unlikely, they were putting blacks and whites in jail for having relationships in the south.
I just find it odd that in order for someone to be perceived as attractive in the U.S. it's automatically assumeda0d they "HAVE TO BE" mixed, and that's sad.
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leroyol — 15 years ago(January 07, 2011 08:57 AM)
I agree with FoxyGeek's standpoint! Im the one who posted the quote (along with the link where SHE said it). I think its sad and a bit pathetic how people are trying to say what SHE is LOL. Saying "She was born here and here so she cant possibly be this because there arent a lot of people of that ethnicity that reside there" LOL!
Whatever she says she isjust accept it and leave it at that. People get waayy too wrapped up on the wrong stuff LOL
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(January 07, 2011 01:23 PM)
One i never stated what she was because i don't and I don't necessarily believe everything posted on the internet unless it comes from more than one source, and actors like most people say a lot of things, that aren't true.
Like stated Tiger woods father at one time stated he was part Chinese, when there were no Chinese living in the part of Kansas he was from, and Robin Givens or her mother used to say they descended from Thomas Jefferson, they even did a story line about it on Robin Givens television series "Head of the Class", but neither one of them say that anymore, only because DNA test were ordered several years ago to rule out some people who were claiming the same thing.
I just think it's sad that people ask this question about Black women that are "Acceptably Beautiful" to whites, they do this with Beyonce, Tyra Banks etc, most Blacks born in this country who are descended from slaves usually are mixed with something, and some have Anglo features but it doesn't always mean they're mixed immediately with anything.
From the way the question is asked one could possibly assume that to these people being just Black isn't beautiful, and the only way she could be beautiful is if she's mixed.
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(January 10, 2011 05:49 AM)
If she were looked at as just black, this wouldn't be a topic of discussion.
There are many black female actors on this site and you won't find this a topic of discussion. I've never seen that question asked of the model and actor Beverly Johnson, Diana Ross, or Chaka Khan who hasn't aged well and is only a few years younger than Ms. Grier and is the same age as Beverly Johnson.
I think some people have a need to have validity that a black woman can only be beautiful if she's mixed, and that is why they ask these questions, and I've seen post by people I can only assume who are white that say they don't find black women attractive but they do think women like Halle Berry, Alicia Keyes who are both mixed race.
I've never heard anyone post anything like this about Aretha Franklin either.
I don't look at the race to decide if I think someone is attractive.
Unfortunately the question will always be asked somewhere.
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