What is she mixed with?
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(March 10, 2011 08:50 AM)
Again fool where, and exactly where in my post did I say she wasn't mixed, I question with what there is difference, and you're too stupid to tell the difference, again find that news source where she stated these so called facts. She becuase someone says they're mixed with something doesn't make it so, again there are facts, with knowledgeable proof, and belief, there is a difference, I, you and anyone else can believe wha1ebctever we like, it doesn't make it true or factual knowledge, again you're too stupid to know the difference troll.
You trolled on here and left me two dumb ass foolish responses without any facts, again fool find a verifiable news source.
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My people were homesteading in Colorado before Emancipation. - Pam Grier
One her family didn't move to Colorado until she in high school, and this is just a collection of quotes she's actually made and are attributed to Ms. Grier, and there isn't one where she says anything about her race.
Except for the one where she ask "Well who's black and what is a black person?" and "Does a black person make them an African American? No. There are Hispanics that are very, very dark skinned so the word has lost its meaning, it's not a very concise or proper word to use even today and it wasn't then."
, and I agree with her statement fool, I have a friend who is Hispanic and is the same complexion as me, and she's not mixed her father is from Cuba her mother was born in Guatemala and raised in Mexico.
So again, what is black, and the last time I checked you can be African-American and be white, since anyone coming from Africa and having a child here could be considered under that terminology. Charlize Theron became a naturalized U.S. citizen if she had a child in the U.S. it would be an African-American.
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I find it odd you didn't post that news source. There are quotes of her saying a lot of things all over the internet, yet none of these sites has that quote that is listed on IMDb or the source of the quote. There are numerous sites with her quotes and that one isn't on any of them.
She is quoted as saying, "And as I reinvent myself and I'm constantly curious about everything, I can't wait to see what's around the corner in newfound art and entertainment and exploration." Did she say she was mixed in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s? or is it a reinvention for this decade.
Again I'll go with Ms. McNair's quote
"Lenny Bruce used to say about me that I was a Caucasian, that someone took a paintbrush and painted me brown. White people are not aware that Negroes look all kinds of different ways."
, and they don't have to be mixed and that is a true statement.
Because Africans in Egypt don't resemble Africans in Zimbabwe or Nigeria or sub-Saharan regions of Africa, but some of them do, and they're not mixed.
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leroyol — 15 years ago(December 06, 2010 12:48 PM)
"People see me as a strong black figure, and I'm proud of that," says Grier, 60. "But I'm a mix of several races: Hispanic, Chinese, Filipino. My dad was black, and my mom was Cheyenne Indian. So you look at things beyond just race, she adds. Or even religion: I was raised Catholic, baptized a Methodist, and almost married a Muslim."
(I posted the interview where it comes from HER mouth)
http://www.cleveland.com/goingout/index.ssf/2010/09/pam_grier_queen_of _1970s_blaxp.html
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LTUM — 15 years ago(December 15, 2010 05:42 PM)
her word on it is not final verification. one would have to dig out birth records and such, and thats a lot of trouble.
i dont remember her mom being indian. maybe part, but not full. i have seen lots of pics of her family in the old days and her mom looked african to me.
either way, she shore is fine. like, wow
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(December 15, 2010 11:03 PM)
I live in Denver in the same neighborhood she grew up in and a girl I dated lived in the house she grew up in and had to move out when Grier's father gave the house to Ms. Grier and her mother doesn't look native American Indian.
Look at the actor/director Georg Stanford Brown was born in Cuba 1943, looks black, and played roles as a black man even though he's not African American, he was married to a white actor named Tyne Daly and one of their daughters Kathryne Dora Brown is also an actor and she does look mixed
http://www.imdb.com/name/n2000m0113972/
but people who are mixed all take on different physical characteristics.
I've never looked at Pam Grier and though of her as being mixed, but it's interesting Ms. Brown was in the movie "The Tiger Woods Story" done in to 90s, and his father is also mixed, and talks about his mother having blonde hair, and she was also mixed. At one time it was believed Tiger Wood's father was mixed with Chinese as well, but it's been confirmed that it's more likely Native American Indian since again they share common genetic markers with people in China, and the Mongolian regions of Asia.
As I stated to another poster blacks and whites, and even other races was more common than a lot of people think. Most people these days are more than likely mixed with some other race or ethnicity. After the genome project they found Native Americans who had common ancestors with people living in Germany.
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FoxyGeek — 15 years ago(December 22, 2010 11:09 AM)
OMG!!!! Here we go again. I've already posted it on here, but it was a loooonnngggg time ago. Anyway, I had a feeling that she was mixed before I even looked it up and found out about it. Yes, she is mixed. I knew she was. What's the big deal? There are many mixed people. Some who "look" mixed and those who are mixed but don't "look" mixed by the standards of society. Mixed is mixed, and that's the bottom line.
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(December 22, 2010 01:13 PM)
No one stated she wasn't mixed, they asked if she were, and most blacks born in the U.S. are mixed, but someone posted she stated she was mixed with Chinese and Filipino and that is a bit of a stretch even Tiger Wood's father has stated that he may be mixed with Chinese, but when you look at where tiger Woods father and grand-parents came from in Kansas there were not that many if any Chinese people living in the U.S., even in Colorado where I and Ms. Grier are both from there are not a lot of Chinese people living in Colorado now.
In the area of north east Denver where she grew up tat one time there were some Japanese families living in the area after World War II, but they kept to themselves, and most of the families moved out of that area, which was predominately black, although the demographic started shifting several years ago to white and Hispanic. She was born in North Carolina,
So just because it was posted and they claim she stated it, again I would find it very interesting to see her family tree and see someone of Filipino or Chinese ancestry. There are quite a few Native American Indians in Colorado, and it would be more feasible that some of her ancestors were Native American Indian like my family, and I have several friends who are Native American Indian and people think they're Chinese or Japanese.
It's not like Pam Grier or her parents were just born recently, but i saw a post that stated she was Native American, European, and Asian ancestry, again Native American's have been shown to have DNA closely related to Asians, and I haven't seen anywhere online where she herself stated anything about her family background, I've seen a lot of post and articles stating what she is mixed, but is not her saying it.
I've never doubted she was mixed, I just question the articles stating what she's mixed with, and as I stated about Tiger Woods father he's mixed but not with what he thought he was mixed with early in his life, and that he was mixed with some Chinese, and records showed and account for most of the Chinese living in Kansas at that time, and one being with someone black would have stood out.
Which is more than likely true for Ms. Grier's family, a black person with an Asian in the south, it's possible but highly unlikely, they were putting blacks and whites in jail for having relationships in the south.
I just find it odd that in order for someone to be perceived as attractive in the U.S. it's automatically assumeda0d they "HAVE TO BE" mixed, and that's sad.
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leroyol — 15 years ago(January 07, 2011 08:57 AM)
I agree with FoxyGeek's standpoint! Im the one who posted the quote (along with the link where SHE said it). I think its sad and a bit pathetic how people are trying to say what SHE is LOL. Saying "She was born here and here so she cant possibly be this because there arent a lot of people of that ethnicity that reside there" LOL!
Whatever she says she isjust accept it and leave it at that. People get waayy too wrapped up on the wrong stuff LOL
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(January 07, 2011 01:23 PM)
One i never stated what she was because i don't and I don't necessarily believe everything posted on the internet unless it comes from more than one source, and actors like most people say a lot of things, that aren't true.
Like stated Tiger woods father at one time stated he was part Chinese, when there were no Chinese living in the part of Kansas he was from, and Robin Givens or her mother used to say they descended from Thomas Jefferson, they even did a story line about it on Robin Givens television series "Head of the Class", but neither one of them say that anymore, only because DNA test were ordered several years ago to rule out some people who were claiming the same thing.
I just think it's sad that people ask this question about Black women that are "Acceptably Beautiful" to whites, they do this with Beyonce, Tyra Banks etc, most Blacks born in this country who are descended from slaves usually are mixed with something, and some have Anglo features but it doesn't always mean they're mixed immediately with anything.
From the way the question is asked one could possibly assume that to these people being just Black isn't beautiful, and the only way she could be beautiful is if she's mixed.
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(January 10, 2011 05:49 AM)
If she were looked at as just black, this wouldn't be a topic of discussion.
There are many black female actors on this site and you won't find this a topic of discussion. I've never seen that question asked of the model and actor Beverly Johnson, Diana Ross, or Chaka Khan who hasn't aged well and is only a few years younger than Ms. Grier and is the same age as Beverly Johnson.
I think some people have a need to have validity that a black woman can only be beautiful if she's mixed, and that is why they ask these questions, and I've seen post by people I can only assume who are white that say they don't find black women attractive but they do think women like Halle Berry, Alicia Keyes who are both mixed race.
I've never heard anyone post anything like this about Aretha Franklin either.
I don't look at the race to decide if I think someone is attractive.
Unfortunately the question will always be asked somewhere.
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(January 10, 2011 05:34 PM)
It was asked once before but threads get deleted by the administrators fi they're the same topic, and if you search the internet you'll find it's been asked before, you may even see a few websites if they're still around that have a list of black entertainers listed as being either mixed or not mixed.
If you look through the threads even one of the posters states they had posted a link to an article awhile back for a similar thread.
I've seen post like this on a lot of black female actors and musicians pages on the site, obviously some of them clearly are mixed it's even in their bio.
Trust me, this stuff gets asked about a lot on this site, even with white female actors who aren't black but to some people apparently look black to these people, whatever looking black is suppose to be I guess.
Go over to Nia Long's page on this site, someone posted whether she might be mixed with Asian, I guess it's possible, but I think she's stated at least one of her parents came from Trinidad and it has had British, French, Dutch and Courland travelers come through those islands, but Trinidad unlike Tobago has always been under British rule.
It's an odd topic for someone to bring up, I always comment when I run across them because i just find it odd that people want to know what race or ethnicity someone is descended.
I usually ask the OP why they're asking, and I've never once gotten a reply back. I didn't ask on this one because the other post about the same topic had been deleted.
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marbleann — 15 years ago(January 11, 2011 09:49 AM)
I wanted to add that Pam has been caught lying about her relatives a few times. She is related not only to Rosie Grier but also to David Alan Grier. In bio for the L Word she states that and in a few other places. Well a while back she said she was not related to Rosie Grier and didn't even know him and had no idea where that rumor came from. Well that is is lie. Take a look at link below. So I would be very suspect about her talking about her ethnicity. She never said she was anything but a black woman until it became vogue to be mixed.
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knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(January 11, 2011 10:27 AM)
I heard them both say they were related in the past, I've never seen or read an interview where she talked about being mixed, actors say a lot of things to further their careers, I just don't get why I constantly see people asking if an attractive black female actor is mixed because she's beautiful.
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marbleann — 15 years ago(January 11, 2011 10:51 AM)
I agree with most of what you stated with the exception of one thing. Yes I think women were much younger when they got married back then but I am not 100% sure( I think I read the difference in age was not much different then it is now so I have to look that up again). But in any case we are talking about a slave holder. And the idea of him having sex with his slave is to make more slaves not to start a family. She was a companion for his daughter and a person he owned and did not grant freedom to as he promised for christ sake. The whole thing is just unseemly.
The reason why white people ask if a pretty black person is mixed is because some white people want to believe they had something to do with their looks. They not only ask about pretty or handsome black people but successful black people too. They cannot believe you can just be black and be successful, or good looking or both. It is a White Supremacist theory. And some black people ask because of the psychological damage of them believing also that white is better and better looking. It is sad but true.
As I stated in my message before if you are light skin and controversial or a criminal or have done something that white society does not approve of they never question if the person is mixed. How many times have you read or heard the question is Ice T mixed or anybody claiming that Malcolm X is mixed or the rapper T.I. who is very light skin is he mixed? No questions about them. So that is why I know the question is racist because these white folks only want to credit if the person is light skin or beautiful, successful and have not broken any of the rules. Look at how all of a sudden Vanessa Williams is now mixed but no one wanted to claim that when she got in trouble. Believe me if Halle Berry got caught in some drug dragnet, she would be just another nggr too and she is really half white. That is how obvious the hypocrisy is. -
knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(January 11, 2011 11:23 AM)
They were having sex with these women to make more slaves, why would you make your own children slaves, they usually worked in the house and were still slaves legally, but they weren't treated as1354 slaves.
Slaves owners used other slaves to make more slaves, that's one of the things they would do at slave markets, and younger slaves especially men were sold based on their youth, strength, and to make babies.
In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at ten or twelve, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only seven. Women reformers and advocates of social purity initiated a campaign in 1885 to petition legislators to raise the legal age of consent to at least sixteen, with ultimate goal to raise the age to eighteen; the campaign was successful: by 1920, almost all states had raised the age of consent to sixteen or eighteen.
Although these same women weren't just doing this because they thought it was wrong, it's because men wanting children would take younger wives of child bearing age these women are typically the ones who were what they used to call spinsters who were beyond the age to have children or have uncomplicated pregnancies, yet they did still want to marry, but because the country was an agrarian based society a man without children to help him on his farm would be at a disadvantage when it came to having help, especially if he had to pay for farm hands, where another competing farmer could use his own children to work the farm. Besides marrying off a young daughter was a way to get a son in law to help out on the farm or ranch.
Like I stated I don't judge history by today's standards because things were different and laws were different.
There are still countries and Africa is one of them where young daughters are sold as a dowry to a suitor, I was asked many years ago by an African businessman my company did business with if I wanted to visit his village and pick a young wife, he stated that my being a successful black man in the U.S. would allow me to have my pick of available young women that his tribal elders picked out for me, I was 33 at the time and the gentleman was probably in his mid to late 50s, and he was promised the woman he married when she was around 14, he married her when she was 15 she stayed in Africa while he worked in the U.S.., she eventually came over some time later. I declined his offer by the way, i always liked older women when I was younger, and I wouldn't want a teenage girlfriend or wife.
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marbleann — 15 years ago(January 11, 2011 12:10 PM)
They were having sex with these women to make more slaves, why would you make your own children slaves, they usually worked in the house and were still slaves legally, but they weren't treated as slaves.
Free them. Simple as that. They had money send them up north, or to France. Anywhere. Get them away from slavery. That is what a parent would do if they wanted to protect their child5b4ren, not keep them as slaves. You think these slave owners wanted to keep their children close to them? Well how come they did not claim them at least and leave them some of the land and money they had like they did their white children? You act like these were normal nice people. Yes who would keep their children as slaves indeed? You think being a house slave was ok it might have been a little better then being a field slave. But they still are slaves. Read about the house slaves, they were not living just a little bit better. You think they have their own bedrooms in an the main house? You think if they did something wrong they would not be out in that field in a second. Or something happened to their white sibling they are in charge of watching. Like getting sick, they would not be blamed and sent to the next auction block sale. Or the wife got a wind and did not accept a child or a relationship with a slave that slave would not be sold in a drop of a hat? You ask who would treat their own children as slaves. A person who owned people and made them work for no wages and sell them at a market place when they could not work anymore. A person who would not allow slaves to keep their families intact because it was illegal for slaves to marry. Yes a monster. -
knight_sentinel — 15 years ago(January 11, 2011 02:01 PM)
Why would they have freed them? This isn't the way people behaved back then and slavery was legal, African took slaves on that continent and did the very same things to people who were the same race and color but from a different tribe,
African tribes still fight each other all those Rwandans were murdered by other Rwandans.
I can tell you're one of these people judging history by today's standards, it's a moot point, and Sally Hemings' children were5b4 freed as most slave owners freed certain slaves.
I don't have a problem with how people were behaving back then it's the past, and besides people who wait to be freed as slaves will always be slaves, people who want to be free fight for it.
How do you know that they wanted to leave the only home they had known, most of the freed slaves actually stayed where they were at, they didn't own anything and had no money.
Also Sally Hemings' brother also went to France with her, and both he and Ms. Hemings were paid wages, slaves aren't paid wages, they're slaves because they work for free. it's also documented that ms. Hemings' children were allowed to stay at the house and perform light work.
"Jefferson-Hemings Report" (PDF). Thomas Jefferson Foundation. 2001-01. Archived from the original on 2007-07-13.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070713105024/http://www.monticello.org/pl antation/hemingscontro/jefferson-hemings_report.pdf
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This is from section 7.
Sally Hemingss children had unique access to freedom. (Appendix H)
Jefferson gave freedom to no other nuclear slave family. No other
Monticello slaves achieved their freedom before the age of thirty-one (except for Critta Hemingss son James, who ran away).
Harriet Hemings was the only enslaved woman freed in Jeffersons lifetime, and she was freed when she was twenty-one years of age. The liberation of Sally Hemingss children cannot be wholly attributed to Jeffersons practiceas reported by his granddaughter Ellen Coolidgeof granting freedom to those light enough to pass for white or skilled enough to make their way as freed people, since there were other Monticello slaves, as light-skinned or as skilled, who were not freed.
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marbleann — 15 years ago(January 11, 2011 04:31 PM)
I know that. That is why I mentioned they could of freed their children of slavery and sent them far away from it and I used France as a example. He had to pay them because slavery was illegal in France. He paid them about 2 bucks a month. But I know they did not get one red cent when they came back to this country, Today the ancestors of Sally Hemings IS Still trying to recognition from the Jefferson family.
There is nothing like Freedom that is what the slave strived for. Yes we know all these colonized countries in Africa are having problems. And it is wrong. But slavery in this country was wrong and dehuminizing. Black people in this country still suffer psychological damage that trace back to the roots of slavery. Jim Crow is not that far ago in our past. Second class citizens. You will set your children free if you cared about them. You would never keep them in bondage. Those slave owners who did not give their children freedom were self serving and selfish and monstrous. Case closed.