Choosing to do heroin…
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benmasta — 11 years ago(October 14, 2014 10:07 AM)
so you missed my point entirely, nice
i am not advocating for drugs, but the fact that they are so villified in society, causes people like PSH to do their habits in secret, which often leads to exess (due to guilt)
the issue is that people dont understand addiction and drugs. People like you have not experienced anything, see it as a simple choice not to do it. While this may be true early on, some people are plagued with anxiety and social problems that they turn to drugs for help.
People like yourself are too ignorant and unwilling to learn why people cant just quit, and why people are often destined to run into a drug problem later in life.
The funny thing is that people think its the drugs that kill people, when in reality2000 it is always the stupidity of the drug user. I will guarentee you that PSH did not die of just a heroin overdose.
Its something like 95% of all overdose cases regarding heroin is becuase the mixed it with another drug, and like 75% of that is alcohol.
A lot of crazy junkies do what is called a "speedball" in which they mix cocaine and heroin together and inject it. This is basically a death sentence, and only those who are retarded go this way.
Basically what im saying, is that drugs can be used responsibly, and them being illegal and so villified has caused more problems than it has fixed. Look at spain/portugal and how they dont prosecute people for having drugs, only for selling. How come the amount of drug users didnt increase? Less crime too, way less stress on the financial state of the country.
Drugs will ALWAYS be used by people. Its jsut retarded to fight this neverending and expensive battle for no reason other than to tell people to stay miserable and have no spark of joy or excitement in their beep life.
If it were legal and taxed, there would be no depression/recession right now, and many useless drug addicts would be working and living normal lives, because then they can use/get their drugs in the open and do not have to subject themselves to the criminal aspect of drugs.
I will tell you right now, the people who DONT want drugs legal, are the Illegal operations and criminals. They have the most to lose. They will no longer be able to string people along, rob people, cheat people, and make ridiculous sums of money for doing no work whatsoever. These are the people that would be hurt by legalizing drugs, not the public. People are just so afraid of things they dont understand, that they create hate towards it so they can stay ignorant.
Its also funny how the majority of street drugs are just offshoots of prescription medications. Just they are available to people who don't have insurance and/or millions to pay a doctor for them to find a legal reason to give you the drugs. Nowadays they barely even prescribe stuff because of all the bad publicity. Blame drug users if you want, but its the sellers that ruin north america, not the users. Legalizing drugs would do nothing BUT attack the sellers. Users are only dangerous when their sellers beep them over and they become desperate.
I know its a waste of time to try and tell you this stuff. Your brain has been wired to hate things without truly understanding, because you see only the absolutely worst of it. I'll tell you though, there are a lot of people that go about their drug habits very responsibly, but then have their lives ruined just because they HAD the drugs on them. After you get stuck and labeled as a criminal, its hard to be much else. So they stay as users and sometimes become sellers, all because they were in posession of personal drugs. -
SimplemindedSociety — 12 years ago(February 19, 2014 03:37 PM)
'I'm sure when the OP experiences more life he'll start to understand.'
That's a crock.
It doesn't even take life experience to have common sense. And nobody ever said a given star is intelligent. I have life experienceand not good experience so let's hear what we don't understand. -
FlyingSaucersAreReal — 12 years ago(February 08, 2014 01:45 PM)
"Mr. Brownstone"
I get up around seven
Get outta bed around nine
And I don't worry about nothin' no
Cause worryin's a waste of mytime
The show usually starts around seven
We go on stage around nine
Get on the bus about eleven
Sippin' a drink and feelin' fine
[Chorus:]
We been dancin' with
Mr. Brownstone
He's been knockin'
He won't leave me alone
I used ta do a little
but a little wouldn't do
So the little got more and more
I just keep tryin'
ta get a little better
Said a little better than before
I used ta do a little
but a little wouldn't do
So the little got more and more
I just keep tryin'
ta get a little better
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Suboxone — 11 years ago(December 22, 2014 03:14 AM)
That's a myth. There is no chasing that first high. The first high is exactly the same as all the other highs. The only drug where the first high is better then the rest is exctascy. With everything else like pills,meth,heroin,cocaine the first high is exactly the same as the rest. In fact the first time you do heron or cocain could be with less pure coke or heroine and then the second time you could use pure and you would gets higher
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vicksta10 — 11 years ago(February 24, 2015 02:51 AM)
I'm not sure where you got the information that "chasing that first high" is a myth, but I can tell you, absolutely, that it is not a myth. The "chasing" is a result of the user's eventual tolerance to a drug, in which larger amounts of said drug are needed to attain that original high (which they never do). I'm not talking about the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or even the 4th use-the chasing comes after however long it takes for an individual to reach his/her own level of tolerance/addiction. I'm guessing by your User Name that you may understand what I'm saying. Hope this helps debunk that "myth".
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Suboxone — 11 years ago(March 14, 2015 01:41 AM)
I got that information from being addicted to heroin. There is no chasing the first high. My 5th high was better then my first. What you are describing is tolerance. People have to use more to get that same high they had before but there is no chasing the very first high. The first time you get high is exactly the same as the 50th. I'm not talking about tolerance. You do get to a point where you have to inject two packs instead of one. I'm just talking about this whole weird "very first high is always the best and you'll never get that again" because that just isnt true. You could do some dirty weak black tar dope the first time and then get some really good pure stuff and it'll be better then that first time you did it.
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vicksta10 — 11 years ago(March 15, 2015 01:55 PM)
Well, I guess heroin is different than my previous drug of choice. As an addict for 10 years, I was constantly chasing that first high. 7ecIt was not ever the same as the beginning so I still believe it not to be a myth. But I respect your opinion and cannot comment on heroin use as it is the one drug I never allowed myself to use-thank God. I hope life is better for you now.
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Danimal_77 — 11 years ago(September 18, 2014 01:19 AM)
Curious about what? Signing your life away? How could something that self-destructive lend to any form of curiosity? Do you stand on your balcony and think what it would be like to jump off it and plummet to your death? There really is no difference whatsoever. Well there is one. Heroin (as you probably are fully aware) robs your soul and kills you slowly and brutally. Hate to say it, but your comment does say a lot about your personality.
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Torrible_2013 — 12 years ago(February 08, 2014 04:57 AM)
Is there a, "Sure, other people get addicted to it, but it won't happen to me!" mentality behind that first time?
Apparently yes.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/10/18/dangerous-op timism-risk-bias-and-smoking/
The optimism bias (also known as unrealistic or comparative optimism) is a bias that causes a person to believe that they are less at risk of experiencing a negative event compared to others. There are four factors that cause a person to be optimistically biased: their desired end state, their cognitive mechanisms, the information they have about themselves versus others, and overall mood. The optimistic bias is seen in a number of situations. For example: people believing that they are less at risk of being a crime victim, smokers believing that they are less likely to contract lung cancer or disease than other smokers, first-time bungee jumpers believing that they are less at risk of an injury than other jumpers, or traders who think they are less exposed to losses in the markets. -
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Danimal_77 — 11 years ago(September 18, 2014 01:25 AM)
Man, your comments just keep outdoing the last in the stupidity department, don't they? Yes, I can debate you on more of an intellectual level, but something tells me you would have to "experience more life" to be able to accomplish that task with any form of success.
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eYeDEF — 12 years ago(February 09, 2014 08:47 AM)
Is there a, "Sure, other people get addicted to it, but it won't happen to me!" mentality behind that first time? If so, there's a real narcissism in that.
Sometimes. Or there's just a neglect to even think that far ahead.
Is there a, "I'll cross that bridge when I get to it." mentality (regarding the likelihood of addiction)? If so, that's a short-sighted, live-for-the-moment mentality that's careless and immature.
Again, thinking "I'll cross that bridge when I get to it" is already thinking further ahead than they actually are. It might be careless and immature, but sometimes it's fun to be careless and immature.
Is there a, "Who cares what may happen? I hate life anyway2000." mentality? If so, that's obviously rooted in depression.
Sure, that's possible too. Is depression what drove PSH to it? Who knows?
Sometimes it just has to do with overwhelming curiosity and a desire to get blitzed out of one's mind for the fun of it. I guess you never having done drugs that's really not something you're capable of understanding.
I really want to understand how someone can willingly elect to go down such a destructive path. There seems to be no logic in doing heroin for the first time.
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Ironman54 — 12 years ago(February 10, 2014 09:06 PM)
In the not too distant past, the statistics for fatal car crashes in the US was 50,000 people are killed annually (not sure of current statistics). Often when driving a car, one aims 2,500 lbs of steel in one direction at speeds often 50+ mph toward oncoming vehicles - from sub compacts to 18 wheelers, all passing in the opposite direction separated only by a painted line on the road and only by a few feet Kinda risky wouldn't you say ? Yet millions play the odds and do this every day.
Ok, no one has to try heroin to get to work obviously but people can/will do the above but question the judgement/sanity of someone who tries a drug for the first time. I agree its not a smart move, no doubt a bout it but I bet you drive a car (or ride in some type of motor vehicle) yet question why another would do something like try a drug.
If everyone around you is doing xyz and apparently none the worse for it (sometimes the horrendous effects of drug abuse don't become apparent until weeks/months later), the uninitiated can be deluded into thinking 'I know what 'they' say but how bad can it really be ?'
No one can be sure of how a drug, be it alcohol, heroin, cocaine etc., is going to effect them until they do it. Many people are sure they have the will power to try it once and walk away. Some people can - but you're truly playing Russian Roulette thinking before hand that you too will be the one that can. Once you try it, you will forever know that there is an 'escape', a better version of 'well being' and that 'knowledge' is what can draw the person back - even after 20+ years of abstinence.
Anyone who knows anything about narcotics will tell you that the first time taking one is a very pleasurable experience. No human being should ever experience it if it can be at all avoided. Its too pleasurable. The first time I received an injection of Demerol (hospital ER) I clearly remember thinking 'Why were we not made to feel like this all the time ?" I should say, not everyone has a pleasurable experience the first time. Some people do say they find the experience to be anything but pleasurable (because of the nausea etc. - many variables) but they are, by far, the exception to the rule. Others are introduced to narcotics by prescription and they take the med. as prescribed then walk away from it when the 10 days are up and the meds are gone. Many though find that for the first time, they feel 'normal' (not depressed etc) and they are the ones who by and large become addicts. Brain chemistry has everything to do with it. Some people are simply predisposed - they have a 'deficit' and the deficit is corrected by the introduction of a narcotic (or alcohol etc) to their system. If you don't have a deficit/predisposition, you will more than likely be one of those who take the med/drug for no more than 10 days , within a certain range/dosage and walk away from it without a problem (or have 2/3 drinks and go home). You may predict that you will be one of the lucky ones but I guarantee you, there is no way to no for sure until you try it - and therein lies the rub.
As to WHY try it the first time (what was asked by the OP) ?
Too many variables but for many its that they have never felt comfortable in their own skin so to speak or have never felt that they experience 'joy' or well being as others seem to and the temptation to see if this drug can make them feel 'right' is just too overwhelming of a temptation. If people had no idea what 'euphoria' meant, they would probably never put a white powder up their nose let alone inject it into their body. What would be the 'enticement' ? Unless you're really drunk or desperate to feel normal/good for the first time in your life (or many years) you wouldn't do something so odd. The stuff is the devil incarnate.
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suza271 — 12 years ago(February 19, 2014 01:54 PM)
There are some born with the disease of addictionsome not. My Mom thinks vicodin makes her sick and hates it. I, however, would down the whole bottle in my using days (or snort them). Many times addiction takes hold of you in a way you wouldn't believe. Educated, rational people who are highly successful when not in an altered state (or searching for drugs once they've experienced them), will do anything and everything to get their drug of choice.
I LITERALLY grew up in a middle to upper class family with a white picket fence, parents who were stable, sent me to college and BAM! I got my wisdom teeth removed and all the sudden I couldn't get enough pills. I was a great student, daughter, grew up learning the morals of society (never stole in my lifenever would unless drugs were invloved). I was the one my parents bragged aboutgetting out of Ohio, hired for the job I always strived for by the age of 25, seemingly having my life together. Except little did anyone know I was racking up thousands in credit card debt, lying to my friends and family, scraping to get by. I had NO knowledge of addiction (except for DARE which barely teaches you ANYTHING about the chemical responses of drugs in your brain, that addiction is genetic, and how harmful they can bethis program just basically hadfrom my recollectionpeople dancing around to pop music and I got a shirt). Finally, I started stealing (and please don't let movies fool youaddicts can be the smartest, highly functioning, & cunning peoplenot all are "junkies living on the street"). Hell, I got my meds online.
I finally had to call my parents at the age of 28 and come home to live because I couldn't pay my rent and was facing my 2nd felony conviction. And, I'm the girl who didn't smoke weed til I was 27, didn't drink til 18, and followed all the rules.
There's a HUGE heroin problem in the midwest. After 3 yrs of sobriety I switched to shooting coke! And, let me tell you, I met 18 yr old girls selling their bodies for crack (which has a huge stigma, but for you judgementals out therecrack is just cocaine cob68oked up with baking soda and baby food). Most people (and I believe this was the case with PSH) continued to use because they got to the point to where the withdrawls from heroin or any opiate were just too much. In the days before his death he was seen with a runny nose, sweating, & shaking. Typical wd symptomseven on suboxone (which was found in his apt). I personally think he was trying to kick the H but those physical and mental wds make you WANT to die.
So, please, think twice before you walk in someone elses shoes. You have no clue what he was struggling with. Almost all addicts have some form of mental illness. Withdrawls definitely cause depression. And, who knows what else he was struggling with. I grieve deeply for his family who had to witness his addictive behaviors. But, at the same time, we have to celebrate his intense, amazing work. -
Soodinum — 12 years ago(February 19, 2014 03:41 PM)
"the dis1c84ease of addiction"
There's enough rethinking of the idea of addiction being a disease that it is no longer valid to just state it as a given and base your argument on that.
Take some time to investigate it and you will find many specialists now not only doubt that addiction is a disease, but think that progress in dealing with addiction effectively is harmed by that label.
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings.