Why so much women murder?!
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ofumalow — 16 years ago(January 05, 2010 08:15 PM)
Not to defend Argentowho is no doubt a pretty weird guybut frankly the commercial logistics of the horror market require sexy young women to be the primary victims. Depressing, but it's true. I don't know if Argento is misogynist or just following commercial precedent. It's true that some of his most brutal killing scenes (esp. "Opera") have been of men. But they're still in the minority.
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scarletminded — 16 years ago(March 28, 2010 06:28 AM)
To answer clow-987 original question: "Do any of his films have a little less gore but still as much style and flare?"
Yes, The Card Player and Do You Like Hitchcock? (the last was a TV movie) have less gore and more plot. And they are actually good. I watched both of them this weekend and could watch them again.
Why does he kill more women?
Well, most horror movie victims are women and crime shows like Criminal Minds and Medium usually show more violence aimed towards women, so I wouldn't think Argento is the only one to blame!
I guess in general, more violence happens to women than men in the real world and that is reflected like a mirror into the movies.
And plus, Argento's mother left him. So this abandonment might bleed into his filmwork as a catharsis.
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creaturefeeture — 14 years ago(October 21, 2011 12:46 PM)
Well, most horror movie victims are women and crime shows like Criminal Minds and Medium usually show more violence aimed towards women, so I wouldn't think Argento is the only one to blame!
I guess in general, more violence happens to women than men in the real world and that is reflected like a mirror into the movies.
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chrisjackson1 — 15 years ago(May 25, 2010 06:50 PM)
Read his biothere is a quote that addresses this question. But think about horror movies for a seconddon't they all favor women as the victim? Men are too powerful physically to care as strongly about, children are too weak to make worthy victimswomen are the best of both. Generally weaker physically than their attackers, yet as smart and strong mentally as their male counterparts. Plus as Dario said, we would rather see a beautiful woman as the victim than an ugly woman or a mansimply for aesthetic reasons.
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ilon — 14 years ago(August 19, 2011 05:54 PM)
Because you can't see the murdered men
I think it has nothing to do with misogyny
Maybe someone want you to see that way.
I would call it "cliche".
If it was the opposite way Would you be thinking: Why so much men murder?
I don't think so In fact, you don't.
Saving private Ryan is full of murdered men.
In the end is always murdered people. Who cares about the sex of the victim? That would be sexism.
Horror is full of murdered women, and is full of murdered men, and full of heroes and heroines And maybe the greatest heroines are in the horror genre -
tcorgat — 14 years ago(September 02, 2011 02:07 PM)
Argento: I like women, especially beautiful ones. If they have a good face and figure,
I would much prefer to watch them being murdered than an ugly girl or man.
I certainly don't have to justify myself to anyone about this. I don't care what anyone thinks or reads into it. I have often had journalists walk out of interviews when I say what I feel about this subject.
"I shouldn't make movies anymore. I should go to a lunatic asylum." - Werner Herzog -
PoppyTransfusion — 14 years ago(September 22, 2011 08:50 AM)
The poster below you has quoted Argento himself on the matter, but seeing beautiful women getting killed, especially using knives, is highly erotic for some.
I'm a fountain of blood
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creaturefeeture — 14 years ago(October 21, 2011 12:56 PM)
Because no one really cares when a man dies?
jkjkjk
here's an article that talks about misogyny in slasher films in general
http://harpymarx.wordpress.com/2008/11/02/the-final-girl-misogyny-and- the-slasher-film/ -
deborahkerr1992 — 11 years ago(October 08, 2014 02:37 PM)
That is correct and if you read about a bit more in depth about these make serial killers, you will find a deep hatred of women. Most often a hatred of the mother or a girlfriend. Case in point Ted Bundy who murdered women who resembled the ex who rejected him. It was his way of murdering his ex over and over again. However his deep hatred of women stemmed from his relationship with his mother.
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dalldorfw — 11 years ago(October 14, 2014 12:56 PM)
Despite what the first guy said, 'Deep Red' is gory as hell; if you're looking for something with substantially less gore, check out 'The Bird With The Crystal Plumage' or 'The Cat 'O Nine Tails'. Argento also had a shortly lived TV show called 'Door Into Darkness' which is finally available on DVD here in the states.
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Xaositect_Crayon — 11 years ago(February 07, 2015 10:38 AM)
I remember an interview on youtube where he admitted he had some issues with women that he thinks may be based on his mother. And I think he is a bit self conscious because most of his characters; killers, victims, heroes and bit parts tend to be women.
I actually think he might be exploring his own baggage in these movies. Of course I'm not a psychiatrist so I wouldn't know for sure.
I can't seem to find that video though
EDIT: Found it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3SqYsJIsmg -
grinderVegan765 — 11 years ago(February 12, 2015 09:21 AM)
Because a beautiful woman is much more glamorous and the mise-en-scene is the driving force of the film. These films find the beauty in murder and it's easiest to find with a woman.. They're more cinematic.
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pajamawolfie — 10 years ago(September 20, 2015 12:24 PM)
Why so many extended, first-person POV shots of people climbing up stairs and running down halls? Black gloves? People getting their faces smashed through glass?
Why not?
Maybe because a lot of the victims are young, beautiful women, it makes the killers look extra evil. The girls are like beautiful flowers cut down in their prime.
Sort of spinning off the subject, now we've got all sorts of TV shows and news stories about how young women are getting kidnapped, murdered, raped, and so on. Ever watch
Criminal Minds
or
Dateline
or
60 Minutes
? Women are vulnerable. The movies were made in a different time, I know, but have women gotten any less vulnerable to attacks by serial killers?
I mean, TV and news has me afraid that the UPS man's going to stuff me in a box and trap me in a barn as a breeding slave. That doesn't seem to happen to men as much.
But these movies are fiction; it was an artistic choice. As a woman, I identify more with another woman being in peril. Maybe guys in the audience don't want to see pretty girls get killed? Unless they do. Win-win?
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