Why so much women murder?!
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ilon — 14 years ago(August 19, 2011 05:54 PM)
Because you can't see the murdered men
I think it has nothing to do with misogyny
Maybe someone want you to see that way.
I would call it "cliche".
If it was the opposite way Would you be thinking: Why so much men murder?
I don't think so In fact, you don't.
Saving private Ryan is full of murdered men.
In the end is always murdered people. Who cares about the sex of the victim? That would be sexism.
Horror is full of murdered women, and is full of murdered men, and full of heroes and heroines And maybe the greatest heroines are in the horror genre -
tcorgat — 14 years ago(September 02, 2011 02:07 PM)
Argento: I like women, especially beautiful ones. If they have a good face and figure,
I would much prefer to watch them being murdered than an ugly girl or man.
I certainly don't have to justify myself to anyone about this. I don't care what anyone thinks or reads into it. I have often had journalists walk out of interviews when I say what I feel about this subject.
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PoppyTransfusion — 14 years ago(September 22, 2011 08:50 AM)
The poster below you has quoted Argento himself on the matter, but seeing beautiful women getting killed, especially using knives, is highly erotic for some.
I'm a fountain of blood
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creaturefeeture — 14 years ago(October 21, 2011 12:56 PM)
Because no one really cares when a man dies?
jkjkjk
here's an article that talks about misogyny in slasher films in general
http://harpymarx.wordpress.com/2008/11/02/the-final-girl-misogyny-and- the-slasher-film/ -
deborahkerr1992 — 11 years ago(October 08, 2014 02:37 PM)
That is correct and if you read about a bit more in depth about these make serial killers, you will find a deep hatred of women. Most often a hatred of the mother or a girlfriend. Case in point Ted Bundy who murdered women who resembled the ex who rejected him. It was his way of murdering his ex over and over again. However his deep hatred of women stemmed from his relationship with his mother.
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dalldorfw — 11 years ago(October 14, 2014 12:56 PM)
Despite what the first guy said, 'Deep Red' is gory as hell; if you're looking for something with substantially less gore, check out 'The Bird With The Crystal Plumage' or 'The Cat 'O Nine Tails'. Argento also had a shortly lived TV show called 'Door Into Darkness' which is finally available on DVD here in the states.
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Xaositect_Crayon — 11 years ago(February 07, 2015 10:38 AM)
I remember an interview on youtube where he admitted he had some issues with women that he thinks may be based on his mother. And I think he is a bit self conscious because most of his characters; killers, victims, heroes and bit parts tend to be women.
I actually think he might be exploring his own baggage in these movies. Of course I'm not a psychiatrist so I wouldn't know for sure.
I can't seem to find that video though
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grinderVegan765 — 11 years ago(February 12, 2015 09:21 AM)
Because a beautiful woman is much more glamorous and the mise-en-scene is the driving force of the film. These films find the beauty in murder and it's easiest to find with a woman.. They're more cinematic.
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pajamawolfie — 10 years ago(September 20, 2015 12:24 PM)
Why so many extended, first-person POV shots of people climbing up stairs and running down halls? Black gloves? People getting their faces smashed through glass?
Why not?
Maybe because a lot of the victims are young, beautiful women, it makes the killers look extra evil. The girls are like beautiful flowers cut down in their prime.
Sort of spinning off the subject, now we've got all sorts of TV shows and news stories about how young women are getting kidnapped, murdered, raped, and so on. Ever watch
Criminal Minds
or
Dateline
or
60 Minutes
? Women are vulnerable. The movies were made in a different time, I know, but have women gotten any less vulnerable to attacks by serial killers?
I mean, TV and news has me afraid that the UPS man's going to stuff me in a box and trap me in a barn as a breeding slave. That doesn't seem to happen to men as much.
But these movies are fiction; it was an artistic choice. As a woman, I identify more with another woman being in peril. Maybe guys in the audience don't want to see pretty girls get killed? Unless they do. Win-win?
There is no objective reality and that's
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alucardvenom — 10 years ago(December 31, 2015 05:08 PM)
Even his own daughter! Not nearly as many men get messed up in his films, except Stendhal Syndrome with the awesome revenge scene. I mean i can clearly see why some accuse him of misogyny but I don't tend to agree since he also shows strong female leads. Do any of his films have a little less gore but still as much style and flare?
Yeah, he got "oh you're misogynist" from feminists back in the day (long before it was "cool" to call pretty much everyone misogynist), but he's actually very down to earth and one of the nicest guys you could met.
I met him around 10+ years in person, he was lot of fun. Few of the funny moments from that day: Dario counting how many people have come to see his movies (it was Italian horror festival) then being confused at how many people got there, Dario being confused when he couldn't figure out which door he needs to exit, Dario "arguing" with organizers of festival because he offered us a drink and organizers didn't let us take it, Dario offering us Asia's phone number then realizing she'll be pissed because two of them weren't speaking at the time, etc.
but I don't tend to agree since he also shows strong female leads.
Yeah, he does. "Suzy Bannion" from Suspiria is clear example of that. She's not passive, she constantly goes looking around and even fights a witch coven at the end. Compare that to lead of Inferno, where lead man pretty much stumbles during the whole movie and every time he gets out of the situation by pure luck (like fire accidentally killing the Mother for example. He didn't do sh*t to stop her, it was pure luck)
Anyway, to answer your question All of his giallo movies are pretty gory. "The Card Player" seems to be most tame because it was specifically made for American market, so it plays more like regular American crime thriller. "Trauma" is also pretty tame compared to his others, and "Bird" is now obviously outdated when it comes to violence.