Okay - lets talk about estranged then - according to you and the Bertolotti gang - Bertolotti has always been in Brittan
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BrittanyMurphyRIP — 10 years ago(September 27, 2015 12:19 AM)
Okay - lets talk about estranged then - according to you and the Bertolotti gang - Bertolotti has always been in Brittany's life but yet I can prove that he was out of it for 18 years or more.
Nobody has ever claimed he did not do prison time during Brittany's lifetime.
First one is his stint in the Federal prison which he was convicted of extortion and went to trial on in 1976.
Citation needed
Now unless you guys are suggesting that Bertolotti got less than 1 year in prison (Brittany was born in 1977) - he was out of Brittany's life until she was at least 12 years old.
I'm not suggesting that he was in prison at all at that point, YOU are. So are you saying Brittany was conceived in prison, or that Angelo is not her father?
Another confirmation on this point is this article:
Bert5b4olotti has said previously that he was a mobster connected to a New York area crime family earlier in his life and served about 12 years in prison for a variety of charges (all after Brittany was born). He has said he is now a law-abiding citizen. (13th paragraph)
That article
http://bit.ly/1KXO1LH
was written by Sharon's self-described close friend Alex Ben Block
http://bit.ly/1ViDFHH
. For some reason he neglects to mention their friendship in the article. His research is also negligent, for instance he describes Bertolotti as "in his 70s" when in fact he was around 85 at the time.
In 2003, the Sun newspaper in London reported: (Bertolotti) was found guilty of racketeering, being involved in organized crime and was also convicted of a counterfeiting scam. Bertolotti spent three stretches at the Federal Penitentiary in Atlanta in a criminal career said to cover 20 years. (14th Paragraph)
No mention of how much time was served during Brittany's lifetime. But in any case, the point is they were not on bad terms as is commonly understood by the term "estranged".
As for the remaining time, Bertolotti himself has stated that he had not seen Brittany since she had gotten married to Monjack (numerous references in the news reports).
He has said that he saw her three months before she died, and many close friends also did not see Brittany during that time. The household kept themselves to themselves in the final years.
As for my theory on who may have poisoned Brittany (although I am not sold on the idea but what the hell).
"not sold on the idea" now LOL After dismissing it hitherto? This just confirms that your motive is to troll, not to have a genuine debate.
How about the people that Bertolotti was stealing drugs and money from - the drug cartels and if you don't believe his group was doing that - I suggest that you read about all the rip-offs listed in this federal charges.
I don't care if he killed Kennedy, it's not relevant to Brittany Murphy's life and death.
This would also explain why Brittany used Murphy instead of Bertolotti - Brittany Murphy is a lot more common that Brittany Bertolotti.
Eh?
As for whether I think he should get any money from Brittany's estate - let me ask you this - should a crook profit from his crimes?- I don't give a damn about anybody's will or estate.
- What would inheriting from Brittany have to do with Angelo's crimes?
You act like I'm Angelo's PR, I'm just a guy on the internet who agrees with his contention that Sharon likely killed Brittany and Simon.
As for Bertolotti financing Brittany move from N.J. to L.A. - Ask him where that money came from - I will be willing to bet that all of it came from his crimes - As I said, I do not know him to ask.
- If Angelo financed Brittany, that would confirm that he was involved in her life.
. Oh yeah - that right - that is Ca. again so if someone lives a life of crimes - everyone else is suppose to pay for their retirement. Again - no wonder Ca. is so screwed up.
Ranting against the state of California now? LOL Any other off-topic pet beefs to declare?
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BlueWatersWhiteDeath — 10 years ago(October 01, 2015 06:31 PM)
First one is his stint in the Federal prison which he was convicted of extortion and went to trial on in 1976.
Citation needed
How about this for a citation:
On February 19, 1976 bench warrants were issued for Capotorto, Lynch, Malatesta,Bertolotti, Dodaro, and Champion, pursuant to a two-sealed indictment, returned by a federal grands jury convened in Miami. The federal charges described "a pattern of racketeering activity, which included extortion, kidnapping, and robbery, in an effort to unlawfully obtain money and drugs from various individuals."
link: https://books.google.com/books?id=fF4urADqI48C&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=bertolotti+racketeering&source=bl&ots=_2RY1i4Ow7&sig=JqBrB3qYRyiAlX6cERuC1lRR4qM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEwQ6AEwCGoVChMI1LOC8a-lxwIVBjQ-Ch2sqQDU#v=onepage&q=bertolotti racketeering&f=false
That quote is from another book titled "Agent Bishop: True stories from an FBI Agent Moonlighting As a Mormon Bishop" - Page 120. The Chapter title is "Big Jimmy's Gang Goes Down" and yes, Bertolotti should know who Biggy Jimmy is since Big Jimmy was Bertolotti's boss and the same one that I quoted the newspaper clipping to you in my last post. You know the one that was shot for beating that guys wife?
I don't care if he killed Kennedy, it's not relevant to Brittany Murphy's life and death.
Don't know about you but I have read that the Drug Cartels have killed people for a lot less - I man really how much do you think 100 kilos of cocaine and heron cost the Drug Cartels???- As I said, I do not know him to ask.
- If Angelo financed Brittany, that would confirm that he was involved in her life.
Not me saying it - Bertolotti's supports are stating that he financed Sharon's and Brittany's move from N.J. to L.A. but according to Brittany - Sharon sold everything to finance the move.
He has said that he saw her three months before she died, and many close friends also did not see Brittany during that time. The household kept themselves to themselves in the final years.
Then he lied to someone - numerous news reports quote him as saying "he had not seen her since she married Monjack" to him stating "I have not seen her for a long time". Take you pick.
Ranting against Ca. Not really. Just laughing at you guys that seem to think it is Sharon's or Brittany's fault that at 80+ years old he is broke. Tell me, how is it anyones fault but his for choosing a profession that does not provide to retirement?
As for asking Bertolotti - it would seem or appear that yo5b4u stay in touch with ShouldWeArrestMom and they had stated that Bertolotti is staying with them. If not then just ignore but that is what they seem to do anyways.
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BrittanyMurphyRIP — 10 years ago(October 02, 2015 02:25 PM)
How about this for a citation:
How about a citation on his being convicted, and being incarcerated at the time of Brittany's conception.
Don't know about you but I have read that the Drug Cartels have killed people for a lot less - I man really how much do you think 100 kilos of cocaine and heron cost the Drug Cartels???
You're seriously suggesting (after all this time) that Brittany was killed to punish Angelo? That's as dumb as Julia Davis saying she was killed by DHS. For the first two years after Brittany died, you said nothing against Angelo or for Sharon. Then you start attacking Angelo apparently based on his previous involvement in organised crime, which was known about from the start. Now you adopt the theory that Brittany WAS murdered, but by gangsters. It seems like you're just coming up with new angles to keep the argument going.
Not me saying it - Bertolotti's supports are stating that he financed Sharon's and Brittany's move from N.J. to L.A.
I missed that one.
Then he lied to someone - numerous news reports quote him as saying "he had not seen her since she married Monjack" to him stating "I have not seen her for a long time". Take you pick.
Or someone misquoted him. I'm only aware of his saying he saw her three months before she died.
Ranting against Ca. Not really. Just laughing at you guys that seem to think it is Sharon's or Brittany's fault that at 80+ years old he is broke.
"Seem to think" based on what? I'm saying it's Sharon's fault Brittany died - which it is, murder or not. -
BlueWatersWhiteDeath — 10 years ago(October 02, 2015 08:57 PM)
Not me saying it - Bertolotti's supports are stating that he financed Sharon's and Brittany's move from N.J. to L.A.
I missed that one.
Boy - you sure don't read the news then - that is all the Bertolotti has been saying but then if someone were to quote the news - your response is like always - he was mis-quoted.
But just for you - here is a quote and a link
Bertolotti in the tradition of the "Sopranos", "Goodfellas" and "The Godfather" was incarcerated and paved the way financially for Brittany and her mother to move to California to pursue Brittany's dream to become a star in the film business where despite the facts, Sharon and Brittany were well taken care of.
link: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm20005260201/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
Now can you read that or do I need to tell you what it says?
How about a citation on his being convicted, and being incarcerated at the time of Brittany's conception.
I am tried of proving citation to you so I am going to say "lets see you provide citations that say he was not - and besides Bertolotti since he was the one being convicted. Besides - I never said he was not Brfittany's Father - just said that he was not around for what - the first 12 years of her life.
Oh btw
As for my theory on who may have poisoned Brittany (although I am not sold on the idea but what the hell).
"not sold on the idea" now LOL After dismissing it hitherto? This just confirms that your motive is to troll, not to have a genuine debate.
Just because I do not buy into Brittany being poisoned based on two hair samples being analyzed and coming up with "levels higher than WHO standards" does not make it a troll - it just means that I question everything that Bertolotti and his group says. Tell me - outside of the hair samples - what other evidence does he have that Brittany was poisoned?? When I say evidence - I mean hard evidence that will stand up in a court of law and not hearsay. Oh wait - he does not have any since he dropped the push for a criminal investigation and is now trying to win a civil case
You're seriously suggesting (after all this time) that Brittany was killed to punish Angelo? That's as dumb as Julia Davis saying she was killed by DHS. For the first two years after Brittany died, you said nothing against Angelo or for Sharon. Then you start attacking Angelo apparently based on his previous involvement in organised crime, which was known about from the start. Now you adopt the theory that Brittany WAS murdered, but by gangsters. It seems like you're just coming up with new angles to keep the argument going.
No more outrageous as saying Sharon poisoned/killed Brittany. At least my theory is supported by more than one fact (and even your hair sample is called into question where my facts are backed by actual facts that have been proven in courts.)
Now I am going to ask you a question and let see if you can find the answer huh
In January, Angelo Bertolotti, Murphy's father, sued the Los Angeles Country Department of Coroner, disputing the conclusions of an autopsy that found that the actress had died of pneumonia and anemia. Bertolotti wanted biological samples from his daughter's body tested in an independent lab to determine whether poisons, toxins or heavy metals played a role in the 32-year-old's untimely death.
Link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/judge-dismisses-lawsuit-brittany-murphy-coroner-352641
Summer 2013
Following a second unsuccessful lawsuit, the corner decides Bertolotti is nevertheless entitled to have the hair and tissues samples sent to a lab of his choice, once he conclusively proved he was Murphys father.
http://www.thewrap.com/need-know-death-brittany-murphy/
The reason for all the quotes is so you can see what they both basically say - and my question is this - which samples did Bertolotti get?? Was it just the hair samples or did he receive both hair and tissue samples?? If he got both hair and tissue samples - then why did he want to have Brittany exhumed?? Or are you going to use your standard response of "it was mis-quoted". -
BrittanyMurphyRIP — 10 years ago(October 04, 2015 01:47 PM)
Boy - you sure don't read the news then - that is all the Bertolotti has been saying but then if someone were to quote the news - your response is like always - he was mis-quoted.
But just for you - here is a quote and a link
Bertolotti in the tradition of the "Sopranos", "Goodfellas" and "The Godfather" was incarcerated and paved the way financially for Brittany and her mother to move to California to pursue Brittany's dream to become a star in the film business where despite the facts, Sharon and Brittany were well taken care of.
That's not news, that's the bio written by Julia Davis, from whom Angelo has now dissociated himself.
I am tried of proving citation to you
Then stop making unsubstantiated assertions, and save yourself the trouble.
so I am going to say "lets see you provide citations that say he was not
LOL You want a citation that Angelo was not incarcerated at the time of Brittany's conception?- and besides Bertolotti since he was the one being convicted. Besides - I never said he was not Brfittany's Father - just said that he was not around for what - the first 12 years of her life.
You said that he went to jail in 1976, and expressed doubt that it was for only a year - thus implying that he was still in prison when Brittany was conceived
Just because I do not buy into Brittany being poisoned based on two hair samples being analyzed and coming up with "levels higher than WHO standards" does not make i238t a troll - it just means that I question everything that Bertolotti and his group says.
No, as I said, what shows you to be a troll is your entertaining now the notion that Brittany was poisoned having hitherto dismissed the idea. You are just looking for positions on which to oppose me for the sake of it.
Tell me - outside of the hair samples - what other evidence does he have that Brittany was poisoned??
How many more times? Sharon's failure to summon medical aid in both Brittany a5b4nd Simon's cases
http://bit.ly/1OdBzsn
When I say evidence - I mean hard evidence that will stand up in a court of law and not hearsay.
This is not a court of law
Oh wait - he does not have any since he dropped the push for a criminal investigation and is now trying to win a civil case
I'm not aware of any law suit against Sharon Murphy by Angelo Bertolotti.
No more outrageous as saying Sharon poisoned/killed Brittany.
Suggesting that a beneficiary of a will murdered the writer of said will is equal to saying that the writer was murdered to punish someone else who was not themselves attacked? And by someone who took the trouble to enter the person's home in order to administer poison, instead of simply e.g. shooting them on the street as one would expect gangsters to do?
At least my theory is supported by more than one fact (and even your hair sample is called into question where my facts are backed by actual facts that have been proven in courts.)
The only fact which you have produced is not in dispute - namely that Angelo Bertolotti has been incarcerated for organised crime offences.
The reason for all the quotes is so you can see what they both basical5b4ly say - and my question is this - which samples did Bertolotti get?? Was it just the hair samples or did he receive both hair and tissue samples??
As far as I am aware, hair samples. But anone seeking clarification can contact him via
https://twitter.com/BrittMurphyDad
or the email address listed there.
- and besides Bertolotti since he was the one being convicted. Besides - I never said he was not Brfittany's Father - just said that he was not around for what - the first 12 years of her life.
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BlueWatersWhiteDeath — 10 years ago(October 05, 2015 05:40 PM)
Wow BrittanyMurphyRIP - you really know how to make everyone here laugh someone up
I am tried of proving citation to you
Then stop making unsubstantiated assertions, and save yourself the trouble.
I gave you a citation where Brertolotti was indicted in February 1976 and gave you a citation were he was released from the Federal Prison in Atalanta in 1993 which proves my point that Bertolotti did not proved any support for Brittany and you still say I am wrong in my assertion??? Now I gave you two citation stating that warrant was issued for Bertolotti in February 1976 and that he was released from Federal Prison in Atlanta in [
Edit
1993 should be 1990 BWWD], lets see you provide citations stating that this is wrong.
You say she was poisoned - I gave you citations that show she was not - bet you still don't know what the WHO standard actually is nor do you understand what an "action level" is but hey - I tried to educate the un-educatable and so now we know why the school systems are failing - like they say - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Lets see what has Bertolotti proven? Hair samples from Brittany can back with above background heavy metals. So Bertolotti wanted her body exhumed but then like I asked in my private pm to you - why did he want her body exhumed when he had Brittany's tissue samples from her autopsy? Why not just have them analyzed?
As far as Bertolotti and Davis goes - don't buy it considering that she is still on the board of directors for the Brittany Murphy Foundation. Try again. -
BrittanyMurphyRIP — 10 years ago(October 08, 2015 08:19 AM)
I gave you a citation where Brertolotti was indicted in February 1976 and gave you a citation were he was released from the Federal Prison in Atalanta in 1993 which proves my point that Bertolotti did not proved any support for Brittany
No, it proves only that he was indicted on the first date, and released on the second date. What I am disputing is your implication that he spent the entire intervening period in prison, and as evidence I cite his fathering two daughters during that period - are you suggesting he was allowed conjugal visits? In any case, precisely how much of Brittany's childhood he spent in prison is a moot point as regards her attitude towards him, whether he supported her and Sharon financially, or the possibility of Sharon having murdered her.
and you still say I am wrong in my assertion??? Now I gave you two citation stating that warrant was issued for Bertolotti in February 1976 and that he was released from Federal Prison in Atlanta in [Edit 1993 should be 1990 BWWD], lets see you provide citations stating that this is wrong.
Again, I am not disputing those citations, merely your assertion that Angelo was in prison from 1976 to 1990.
You say she was poisoned
I say it's likely that she was poisoned - that is my opinion, anyone is free to disagree. I also say - as I have from the beginning, before there was any allegation of poisoning - that Sharon deliberately withheld medical aid from both Brittany and Simon as she found their deaths convenient.- I gave you citations that show she was not [poisoned]
You stated the following earlier in this thread
"As for my theory on who may have poisoned Brittany (although I am not sold on the idea but what the hell). How about the people that Bertolotti was stealing drugs and money from - the drug cartels" - bet you still don't know what the WHO standard actually is nor do you understand what an "action level" is but hey
Bet you I don't give a shyt
I tried to educate the un-educatable and so now we know why the school systems are failing - like they say - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
"All I learnt at school, was how to bend not break the rule" - Madness
Lets see what has Bertolotti proven? Hair samples from Brittany can back with above background heavy metals.
repeats statement for effect, like in courtroom dramas "HAIR SAMPLES CAME BACK WITH ABOVE BACKGROUND HEAVY METALS"
So Bertolotti wanted her body exhumed but then like I asked in my private pm to you - why did he want her body exhumed when he had Brittany's tissue samples from her autopsy? Why not just have them analyzed?
And like I told YOU in our PM convo, my understanding is that only hair samples were recovered from the LA County Department of Coroner.
As far as Bertolotti and Davis goes - don't buy it considering that she is still on the board of directors for the Brittany Murphy Foundation. Try again.
You don't believe Angelo's statement that he is no longer working with Julia Davis? Why would he lie? OF COURSE her name appears on the website - it's HER website. The foundation was set up by her and her husband when they were working with Angelo. It has not accepted, nor solicited, any donations - the motivation of the Davises was, as always, to publicise themselves
- I gave you citations that show she was not [poisoned]
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BlueWatersWhiteDeath — 10 years ago(October 09, 2015 06:28 PM)
Okay BrittanyMurphyRIP,
I guess I will just have to put all three pieces together for you.
First - Bertolotti was indicted on February 19.1976 per the book
Agent Bishop: True Stories from an FBI Agent Moonlighting As a Mormon Bishop
On February 19,1976 bench warrants were issued for Capot5b4orto, Lynch, Malatesta, Bertolotti, Dodaro, and Champion, pursuant to a two-count sealed indictment, returned by a federal grand jury convened in Miami. The federal charges described "a pattern of racketeering activity, which included extortion, kidnapping, and robbery, in an effort to unlawfully obtain money and drugs fro0m various individuals."
Second - An article by
The Hollywood Reporter
paragraph 13
Link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/brittany-murphy-father-sues-angelo-bertolotti-280793
Bertolotti has said previously that he was a mobster connected to a New York area crime family earlier in his life and served about 12 years in prison for a variety of charges
(all after Brittany was born)
. He has said he is now a law-abiding citizen.
And the last one is the citation that I provided you stating that Bertolotti was released from the Federal Prison in Atlanta in 1990.
Now if you do the math - 1977+12=1989 and depending on when he entered (i.e. late 1977) may push his release date into the early part of 1990.
As for him having two daughters - what can I say. If they were born during this time then:
1: He had twins
2: Conjugal visits
3: Different mothers
4: Not the father
If you disagree with my findings, please provide quotes and citations and if they are correct then I w1c84ill have to change my views but until then, this stands.
Also, the purpose of this is to prove one thing, either the authors and/or the news are incorrect or Bertolotti is - now you tell me which one to believe. -
BrittanyMurphyRIP — 10 years ago(October 09, 2015 11:19 PM)
Okay BrittanyMurphyRIP,
I guess I will just have to put all three pieces together for you.First - Bertolotti was indicted on February 19.1976 per the book Agent Bishop: True Stories from an FBI Agent Moonlighting As a Mormon Bishop
You previously implied that he was imprisoned that same year, and said that he remained in prison until 1990.
Bertolotti has said previously that he was a mobster connected to a New York area crime family earlier in his life and served about 12 years in prison for a variety of charges (all after Brittany was born). He has said he is now a law-abiding citizen.
The quoted article was written by Sharon's self-described friend Alex Ben Block, so the source for that information would have been her - a woman who previously announced through her then-publicist Roger Neal that Angelo was not Brittany's father!
This despite physical resemblance and the fact that his paternity was documented on her birth certificate and never previously disputed. Only when there was a financial motive did Sharon deny it. Block implicitly continues the slur in the opening line of the article
http://bit.ly/1KXO1LH
And the last one is the citation that I provided you stating that Bertolotti was released from the Federal Prison in Atlanta in 1990.
Again you persist with this straw man - I am not disputing that citation.
As for him having two daughters - what can I say. If they were born during this time then:
1: He had twins
2: Conjugal visits
3: Different mothers
4: Not the father- As I stated, his second daughter (
https://twitter.com/easterpia
)
was born in 1980. She is not Brittany's twin. - The Federal Bureau of Prisons does not allow conjugal visits.
- Yes, how is that relevant? The point is his daughters were conceived during the time you claim he was in prison.
If you disagree with my findings, please provide quotes and citations and if they are correct then I will have to change my views but until then, this stands.
What stands?
Also, the purpose of this is to prove one thing, either the authors and/or the news are incorrect or Bertolotti is - now you tell me which one to believe.
About what exactly?
- As I stated, his second daughter (
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BlueWatersWhiteDeath — 10 years ago(October 11, 2015 08:26 PM)
Okay BrittanyMurphRIP - I will concede that the news article concerning Bertolotti's 12 years in prison was written by someone who had an axe to grind (but what I don't1354 understand is if Bertolotti did not say what was reported then why has he not sued Block - God knows he sued everyone else) but here is another article written by a reporter that supports Bertolotti and again the same quote appears:
Bertolotti, who was estranged from Brittany for most of his life and did a 12-year stretch in prison on organized crime charges, sued the coroners office to obtain hair, blood and tissue samples so tests could be conducted privately.
18th paragraph
link: http://www.theimproper.com/93500/brittany-murphy-death-theory-points-murder/
As for the twitter account - just a couple of questions:- You know this is Bertolotti's daughter how????
- Come on now - you said my quote from Block was biased because Block is - tell me - how much bias do you think his kids are, especially since ShouldWeArrestMom keeps reminding people of how old Bertolotti is.
At least my resources have no ties to me, Sharron, Bertolotti or his group. Come on now - you can do better.
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BrittanyMurphyRIP — 10 years ago(October 12, 2015 12:51 AM)
but what I don't understand is if Bertolotti did not say what was reported then why has he not sued Block
For what?
God knows he sued everyone else
The only suit has been for release of the hair samples.
but here is another article written by a reporter that supports Bertolotti and again the same quote appears:
That's not original research, it's just copying public info from such as Block. Not being hostile to Angelo doesn't make it proper journalism. "Bertolotti, who was estranged from Brittany for most of HIS
life"
As for the twitter account - just a couple of questions:- You know this is Bertolotti's daughter how????
You think it's an impostor?
Come on now - you said my quote from Block was biased because Block is - tell me - how much bias do you think his kids are
What insanity is this now? We can't trust Pia's claim to be Brittany's younger sister because she's biased, being Angelo's daughter?
- You know this is Bertolotti's daughter how????
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BlueWatersWhiteDeath — 10 years ago(October 18, 2015 06:56 PM)
but what I don't understand is if Bertolotti did not say what was reported then why has he not sued Block
For what?
Well, according to you - Bertolotti never said that or is that another mis-quote?
God knows he sued everyone else
The only suit has been for release of the hair samples.
I guess you need to read exactly what Bertolotti sued for and what he received from the L.A. Coroner's office. But the last time I read, Bertolotti had also sued Sharon Murphy for wrongful death and defamation of character.
As for the twitter account - just a couple of questions:- You know this is Bertolotti's daughter how????
You think it's an impostor?
And why do you not think it is not an impostor? Remember, anyone can create a twitter account and say that they are anyone they want. If you don't believe me then just remember what the police advise when it comes to social media. Do I doubt that there is a Pia - no. Do I think that account belongs to Pia - I don't know. For all you know, it maybe Bertolotti's account or someone in his group. Why would they do that? To make people think he was out of prison from 1976 to the early 80's.
Never said that but I want you to answer this question - How much is Brittany's estate worth right now?
- You know this is Bertolotti's daughter how????