Okay - lets talk about estranged then - according to you and the Bertolotti gang - Bertolotti has always been in Brittan
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BlueWatersWhiteDeath — 10 years ago(October 05, 2015 05:40 PM)
Wow BrittanyMurphyRIP - you really know how to make everyone here laugh someone up
I am tried of proving citation to you
Then stop making unsubstantiated assertions, and save yourself the trouble.
I gave you a citation where Brertolotti was indicted in February 1976 and gave you a citation were he was released from the Federal Prison in Atalanta in 1993 which proves my point that Bertolotti did not proved any support for Brittany and you still say I am wrong in my assertion??? Now I gave you two citation stating that warrant was issued for Bertolotti in February 1976 and that he was released from Federal Prison in Atlanta in [
Edit
1993 should be 1990 BWWD], lets see you provide citations stating that this is wrong.
You say she was poisoned - I gave you citations that show she was not - bet you still don't know what the WHO standard actually is nor do you understand what an "action level" is but hey - I tried to educate the un-educatable and so now we know why the school systems are failing - like they say - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Lets see what has Bertolotti proven? Hair samples from Brittany can back with above background heavy metals. So Bertolotti wanted her body exhumed but then like I asked in my private pm to you - why did he want her body exhumed when he had Brittany's tissue samples from her autopsy? Why not just have them analyzed?
As far as Bertolotti and Davis goes - don't buy it considering that she is still on the board of directors for the Brittany Murphy Foundation. Try again. -
BrittanyMurphyRIP — 10 years ago(October 08, 2015 08:19 AM)
I gave you a citation where Brertolotti was indicted in February 1976 and gave you a citation were he was released from the Federal Prison in Atalanta in 1993 which proves my point that Bertolotti did not proved any support for Brittany
No, it proves only that he was indicted on the first date, and released on the second date. What I am disputing is your implication that he spent the entire intervening period in prison, and as evidence I cite his fathering two daughters during that period - are you suggesting he was allowed conjugal visits? In any case, precisely how much of Brittany's childhood he spent in prison is a moot point as regards her attitude towards him, whether he supported her and Sharon financially, or the possibility of Sharon having murdered her.
and you still say I am wrong in my assertion??? Now I gave you two citation stating that warrant was issued for Bertolotti in February 1976 and that he was released from Federal Prison in Atlanta in [Edit 1993 should be 1990 BWWD], lets see you provide citations stating that this is wrong.
Again, I am not disputing those citations, merely your assertion that Angelo was in prison from 1976 to 1990.
You say she was poisoned
I say it's likely that she was poisoned - that is my opinion, anyone is free to disagree. I also say - as I have from the beginning, before there was any allegation of poisoning - that Sharon deliberately withheld medical aid from both Brittany and Simon as she found their deaths convenient.- I gave you citations that show she was not [poisoned]
You stated the following earlier in this thread
"As for my theory on who may have poisoned Brittany (although I am not sold on the idea but what the hell). How about the people that Bertolotti was stealing drugs and money from - the drug cartels" - bet you still don't know what the WHO standard actually is nor do you understand what an "action level" is but hey
Bet you I don't give a shyt
I tried to educate the un-educatable and so now we know why the school systems are failing - like they say - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
"All I learnt at school, was how to bend not break the rule" - Madness
Lets see what has Bertolotti proven? Hair samples from Brittany can back with above background heavy metals.
repeats statement for effect, like in courtroom dramas "HAIR SAMPLES CAME BACK WITH ABOVE BACKGROUND HEAVY METALS"
So Bertolotti wanted her body exhumed but then like I asked in my private pm to you - why did he want her body exhumed when he had Brittany's tissue samples from her autopsy? Why not just have them analyzed?
And like I told YOU in our PM convo, my understanding is that only hair samples were recovered from the LA County Department of Coroner.
As far as Bertolotti and Davis goes - don't buy it considering that she is still on the board of directors for the Brittany Murphy Foundation. Try again.
You don't believe Angelo's statement that he is no longer working with Julia Davis? Why would he lie? OF COURSE her name appears on the website - it's HER website. The foundation was set up by her and her husband when they were working with Angelo. It has not accepted, nor solicited, any donations - the motivation of the Davises was, as always, to publicise themselves
- I gave you citations that show she was not [poisoned]
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BlueWatersWhiteDeath — 10 years ago(October 09, 2015 06:28 PM)
Okay BrittanyMurphyRIP,
I guess I will just have to put all three pieces together for you.
First - Bertolotti was indicted on February 19.1976 per the book
Agent Bishop: True Stories from an FBI Agent Moonlighting As a Mormon Bishop
On February 19,1976 bench warrants were issued for Capot5b4orto, Lynch, Malatesta, Bertolotti, Dodaro, and Champion, pursuant to a two-count sealed indictment, returned by a federal grand jury convened in Miami. The federal charges described "a pattern of racketeering activity, which included extortion, kidnapping, and robbery, in an effort to unlawfully obtain money and drugs fro0m various individuals."
Second - An article by
The Hollywood Reporter
paragraph 13
Link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/brittany-murphy-father-sues-angelo-bertolotti-280793
Bertolotti has said previously that he was a mobster connected to a New York area crime family earlier in his life and served about 12 years in prison for a variety of charges
(all after Brittany was born)
. He has said he is now a law-abiding citizen.
And the last one is the citation that I provided you stating that Bertolotti was released from the Federal Prison in Atlanta in 1990.
Now if you do the math - 1977+12=1989 and depending on when he entered (i.e. late 1977) may push his release date into the early part of 1990.
As for him having two daughters - what can I say. If they were born during this time then:
1: He had twins
2: Conjugal visits
3: Different mothers
4: Not the father
If you disagree with my findings, please provide quotes and citations and if they are correct then I w1c84ill have to change my views but until then, this stands.
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BrittanyMurphyRIP — 10 years ago(October 09, 2015 11:19 PM)
Okay BrittanyMurphyRIP,
I guess I will just have to put all three pieces together for you.First - Bertolotti was indicted on February 19.1976 per the book Agent Bishop: True Stories from an FBI Agent Moonlighting As a Mormon Bishop
You previously implied that he was imprisoned that same year, and said that he remained in prison until 1990.
Bertolotti has said previously that he was a mobster connected to a New York area crime family earlier in his life and served about 12 years in prison for a variety of charges (all after Brittany was born). He has said he is now a law-abiding citizen.
The quoted article was written by Sharon's self-described friend Alex Ben Block, so the source for that information would have been her - a woman who previously announced through her then-publicist Roger Neal that Angelo was not Brittany's father!
This despite physical resemblance and the fact that his paternity was documented on her birth certificate and never previously disputed. Only when there was a financial motive did Sharon deny it. Block implicitly continues the slur in the opening line of the article
http://bit.ly/1KXO1LH
And the last one is the citation that I provided you stating that Bertolotti was released from the Federal Prison in Atlanta in 1990.
Again you persist with this straw man - I am not disputing that citation.
As for him having two daughters - what can I say. If they were born during this time then:
1: He had twins
2: Conjugal visits
3: Different mothers
4: Not the father- As I stated, his second daughter (
https://twitter.com/easterpia
)
was born in 1980. She is not Brittany's twin. - The Federal Bureau of Prisons does not allow conjugal visits.
- Yes, how is that relevant? The point is his daughters were conceived during the time you claim he was in prison.
If you disagree with my findings, please provide quotes and citations and if they are correct then I will have to change my views but until then, this stands.
What stands?
Also, the purpose of this is to prove one thing, either the authors and/or the news are incorrect or Bertolotti is - now you tell me which one to believe.
About what exactly?
- As I stated, his second daughter (
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BlueWatersWhiteDeath — 10 years ago(October 11, 2015 08:26 PM)
Okay BrittanyMurphRIP - I will concede that the news article concerning Bertolotti's 12 years in prison was written by someone who had an axe to grind (but what I don't1354 understand is if Bertolotti did not say what was reported then why has he not sued Block - God knows he sued everyone else) but here is another article written by a reporter that supports Bertolotti and again the same quote appears:
Bertolotti, who was estranged from Brittany for most of his life and did a 12-year stretch in prison on organized crime charges, sued the coroners office to obtain hair, blood and tissue samples so tests could be conducted privately.
18th paragraph
link: http://www.theimproper.com/93500/brittany-murphy-death-theory-points-murder/
As for the twitter account - just a couple of questions:- You know this is Bertolotti's daughter how????
- Come on now - you said my quote from Block was biased because Block is - tell me - how much bias do you think his kids are, especially since ShouldWeArrestMom keeps reminding people of how old Bertolotti is.
At least my resources have no ties to me, Sharron, Bertolotti or his group. Come on now - you can do better.
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BrittanyMurphyRIP — 10 years ago(October 12, 2015 12:51 AM)
but what I don't understand is if Bertolotti did not say what was reported then why has he not sued Block
For what?
God knows he sued everyone else
The only suit has been for release of the hair samples.
but here is another article written by a reporter that supports Bertolotti and again the same quote appears:
That's not original research, it's just copying public info from such as Block. Not being hostile to Angelo doesn't make it proper journalism. "Bertolotti, who was estranged from Brittany for most of HIS
life"
As for the twitter account - just a couple of questions:- You know this is Bertolotti's daughter how????
You think it's an impostor?
Come on now - you said my quote from Block was biased because Block is - tell me - how much bias do you think his kids are
What insanity is this now? We can't trust Pia's claim to be Brittany's younger sister because she's biased, being Angelo's daughter?
- You know this is Bertolotti's daughter how????
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BlueWatersWhiteDeath — 10 years ago(October 18, 2015 06:56 PM)
but what I don't understand is if Bertolotti did not say what was reported then why has he not sued Block
For what?
Well, according to you - Bertolotti never said that or is that another mis-quote?
God knows he sued everyone else
The only suit has been for release of the hair samples.
I guess you need to read exactly what Bertolotti sued for and what he received from the L.A. Coroner's office. But the last time I read, Bertolotti had also sued Sharon Murphy for wrongful death and defamation of character.
As for the twitter account - just a couple of questions:- You know this is Bertolotti's daughter how????
You think it's an impostor?
And why do you not think it is not an impostor? Remember, anyone can create a twitter account and say that they are anyone they want. If you don't believe me then just remember what the police advise when it comes to social media. Do I doubt that there is a Pia - no. Do I think that account belongs to Pia - I don't know. For all you know, it maybe Bertolotti's account or someone in his group. Why would they do that? To make people think he was out of prison from 1976 to the early 80's.
Never said that but I want you to answer this question - How much is Brittany's estate worth right now?
- You know this is Bertolotti's daughter how????