the two F@#$ing hospitals should be sued…
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bricksmarlen — 21 years ago(March 11, 2005 11:22 AM)
Yes it was s7ectupid how she died, but what are people so suprised at? Do you expect every doctor every passed medical school with straight A's? Not every doctor is that smart, few are. Those medical students with C's graduate as well. It's unfortunate but it will happen.
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idcatlady — 21 years ago(March 11, 2005 11:51 AM)
Unfortunately because of one of our presidents suing them wouldn't do any good. They passed a law that you can only sue them for a set amount which isn't even worth the trouble. I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of $250,000
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/16/bush.malpractice/
I don't think that's anything close to loosing a love once because of a doctor not doing their job right. But with her being a celebrity maybe something better will happen. -
brandon_harwell — 21 years ago(March 11, 2005 01:17 PM)
You're an idiot, you know that? Pneumonia is easy to diagnose and easy to find and easy to cure in younger people. SHE WAS BARELY IN HER 30S! How many people do you know of in any advanced country that die of pneumonia at 30 when they have no other bad medical condition or surgery (of which she had neither)?
If it was something hard to diagnose, fine, but this is freaking pneumonia. The lawsuit limit is just another stupid pathetic dumb thing the idiot President Bush is responsible for (he needs to burn for all the crap he's caused and the trauma he's put this country through), and the doctors need to have FAR stricter standards. Doctors are gettign lazy in this country. That's why a lot of people are going to Canada and Europe nowadays for the big medical treatment, because our medical system flat-out SUCKS. -
UFmike1983 — 21 years ago(March 11, 2005 01:49 PM)
Just because pneumonia is diagnosed, doesn't mean that it is completely treatable. There are many reasons why someones immune system isn't strong enough to fight a bacterial infection such as pneumonia, and once it progresses to a certain point, it isn't treatable. No body here knew her exact medical condition, so stop speculating.
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brandon_harwell — 20 years ago(June 01, 2005 03:18 PM)
You're so full of beep it ain't even funny. Our doctors know nothing compared to Canada's. I should know because I am one such person who went there for treatment because doctors in this country are incompetent. The waiting list crap for the most part is a myth. I've talked to Canadians many times and very few have complaints. When I went for my heart surgery, I got in within a month (it wasn't "right now emergency" surgery and therefore I didn't get top priority, which is fine by me seeing as I still without priority got in within a month). In fact, I've had several unacceptable waiting times in AMERICAN hospitals. America goes by first come first serve unless they're bleeding out; Canada seems to go more on priority, sickest first. So don't bash Canada's system when you don't know jack beep about it.
America's medical field is way behind the rest of the advanced countries, one because we let people slide through school, two because there is so little a5b4ccountability, three because of HMOs, and four because of this ignorant freaking President Bush who wants to cut off pretty much all the punishments doctors get for screwing up badly. -
bombthedayaway — 20 years ago(August 24, 2005 05:06 PM)
You know, I really wish people would stop calling doctors stupid. It really ticks me off that someone bashes a doctor with information they have no idea about. People are always complaining about the losses, well what about the people they do SAVE. You never hear about that. I don't think doctors would really want to just totally blow off a person. Have you seen the malpractice insurance rates? Holy crap you think they make so much money when half of it goes to save their butts when they make "mistakes".(I want to be an OB/GYN they have way more lawsuits than most doctors) Face it guys, people die, it's an everyday thing and everyone on this earth will die. Whether it be by a freak accident of a penny dropping from the Empire State building or dying from cancer.
If you guys are so much better than doctors, why don't go out and help people who seem to have a common cold eh?
p.s-Don't think I don't have "experience" with near death and death situations. My brother, father, mother, and many more of my family members were saved by those "stupid doctors"
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Shan-12 — 20 years ago(September 02, 2005 06:18 AM)
I'm a doctor and it's impossible to say without more facts as to what happened but - if she's as sick as it sounds when she went to a hospital, along with respiratory symptoms - well she should have at least had a physical examination. This should have included listening to her chest with a stethescope. If the pneumonia was as widespread and extensive as it has been described (I'm thinking it must have been because it lead to her death), it would have made sounds been very obvious to anyone to heard it through a stethescope, doctor or not. (Doctors of course would then know how to interpret the finding).
That should have lead to an Xray which should have shown very obvious pneumonia and then she should have been started on intravenous antibiotics straight away. No guarantees but if this had been done at the very first visit to the first hospital - her chances would have been much better.
Like I said, there's no absolute guarantees and it's impossible to say without all the facts but - the description of events sounds like the first two hospitals didn't even listen to her chest because if the reports were accurate that they sent her home just with paracetamol and even basic examination we learn in medical school all the world over would have lead to further basic steps which I'm sure probably would have at least gotten a diagnosis.
If the pneumonia had been as extensive as described (once again I think so because she died) - you would have heard sounds (the medical term is crepitations) which will make you at least suspicious enough to order an X-ray - and that would have been very obvious and antibiotics should have followed soon after. I've seen several cases of much less severe cases where the chain of events was what I described and we found and treated it.
Of course I would be interested to find out more facts about the case before I could say what happened and should have happened with certainty but it was a tragic event nevertheless.