Is she against gay marriage?
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marcos_ho — 15 years ago(January 18, 2011 11:34 AM)
In 5b4the beginning I thought you were stupid but now I'm sure you're insane. Do you even read what you're writing?
People have a fundamental freedom to marry. Everyone. Just not the same gender.
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Jfk78 — 15 years ago(February 08, 2011 07:24 AM)
Dont worry marcos_ho, its only your own limitations that saw me as stupid. They can marry who they want as long as its the opposite gender. In other words they have the exact same freedom hetrosexuals do. Now if we were talking civil unions that would be a different matter. Afterall everyone is entitled to have their relationship recognised by their peers and by law.
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JohnClarkKelly — 15 years ago(March 17, 2011 06:52 PM)
So do you want to marry a 9 year old? Do you want to marry a sheep? The issue is simply one of defining what a word means, you are trying to make it an issue of freedom. You have the freedom to join into whatever contractural relationship you want. For that matter, a civil union is not even required. A gay couple can provide powers of attorneys and make contract agreements with each other that would give them the same rights, priveleges, and responsibilities that a married couple has. Just don't call it a marriage. That would be no different than straight people saying that they don't want their marriage called a marriage, they want to be called homosexuals. That's fine that they want to be called homosexual, but that doesn't make them homosexual. This is a favorite tactic of the left, if you do not like the facts, and you can't change the facts, then just change the meaning of the words. Remember, "that depends on what the meaning of the word IS is".
Also, just because a person is anti-gay marriage doesn't mean they hate homosexuals. I believe it is a sin. I also believe that adultery, pre-marital sex, losing your temper, gluttony, and greed are sins. I sometimes commit them, I know plenty of people who commit them, that doesn't mean that I hate them. I have no position on how a person lives their life. I can disapprove or approve, but at the end of the day it is their life and the freedom of choice how to live it.
Maggie,
If you are truly a person who believes in the sanctity of "traditional MARRIAGE", you have risen to the top of my favorite actress list. It shows a depth of character rarely seen in Hollywood. -
marcos_ho — 15 years ago(March 18, 2011 01:21 AM)
So do you want to marry a 9 year old? Do you want to marry a sheep?
Please try to find new arguments. This is the same lame excuse the right has been using all along. freedom = consent. Neither a child or a goat can consent.
just because a person is anti-gay marriage doesn't mean they hate homosexuals
Keep telling yourself that. That'll make you feel better. And not giving a job to a black guy doesn't mean you're a racist. It means you're protecting him from the hardship of labor.
Just don't call it a marriage
I agree with that. I don't care for the label. It's stupid to say "I wanna get married too!" It's our envy. All I care about is people having the same rights
I also believe that adultery, pre-marital sex, losing your temper, gluttony, and greed are sins.
The difference being that adulterers have the right to get mar16d0ried Hail the sanctity of marriage. And if you really believe in the Bible, you should be stoning every adulterer you know. Either you believe in something or you don't. Don't be picky. -
JohnClarkKelly — 15 years ago(March 18, 2011 04:11 PM)
So do you want to marry a 9 year old? Do you want to marry a sheep?
"Please try to find new arguments. This is the same lame excuse the right has been using all along. freedom = consent. Neither a child or a goat can consent."
Another non argument on your part. I have obviously used exaggeration to point out the fallacy of your argument. Taken to a logical conclusion your argument leads to the child and goat argument. If you want to change the definition and purpose of marriage to meet your goals, why are you so willing to draw the line in front of the pedophile or the bestiality practicer. I'm not equating a homosexual with those people. I am equating the argument.
just because a person is anti-gay marriage doesn't mean they hate homosexuals
"Keep telling yourself that. That'll make you feel better. And not giving a job to a black guy doesn't mean you're a racist. It means you're protecting him from the hardship of labor."
I don't have to "keep telling myself anything". Its just common sense. Once again you try to slander instead of approach the argument from the front. I've never considered a person's color in an employment issue. I actually find your statement, even made in jest or rhetoric, somewhat offensive. In business the only color I care about is green. Will you make me money, then you are hired.
Just don't call it a marriage
I agree with that. I don't care for the label. It's stupid to say "I wanna get married too!" It's our envy. All I care about is people having the same rights.
Hooray! We agree
I also believe that adultery, pre-marital sex, losing your temper, gluttony, and greed are sins.
"The difference being that adulterers have the right to get married Hail the sanctity of marriage. And if you really believe in the Bible, you should be stoning every adulterer you know. Either you believe in something or you don't. Don't be picky."
An adulterer cannot get married unless they commit bigamy. The other sins mentioned have no bearing in a disussion concerning marriage, gay or otherwise. If you knew more about the Bible, you would know that in the New Testament, Christ instructed,"he who is without sin cast the first stone" in a situation directly created by an instance of adultery.
Incidentally there is nothing in my post that says I believe the Bible, or that I am a Christian. Considering that the vast majority of Christians are much more tolerant of homosexuality than the most common religion on earth, Islam; and the other common religion which share the same roots, Judaism, is also less tolerant, I accept your comment as a positive statement that I am living my life in a way that others would convict me of being a Christian. -
marcos_ho — 15 years ago(March 18, 2011 04:31 PM)
So do you want to marry a 9 year old? Do you want to marry a sheep
What part of "consent" don't you get? It doesn't matter whether I want t111co marry a 9-year old or a goat. As long as neither is able to consent, it's a moot point. And, by the way, I highly doubt any pedophile would like to marry a kid. They want to get off, not create a family. Same thing goes for bestiality practitioners (sic).
In business the only color I care about is green. Will you make me money, then you are hired.
Gay weddings are a 1 bln + booming enterprise. If you are all about the money, then why not let them get married? The government could make a ton of money from taxes
"The difference being that adulterers have the right to get married Hail the sanctity of marriage. And if you really believe in the Bible, you should be stoning every adulterer you know. Either you believe in something or you don't. Don't be picky."
An adulterer cannot get married unless they commit bigamy.
I don't understand the logic. What I'm saying is that adultery is the highest form of disrespect to the "sanctity" of marriage. Then, how come these people can get married? I say, once you get caught, your wife/husband divorces you and you have no longer have the right to get married.
If you knew more about the Bible
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't know the Bible. I have read my fair share of it.
you would know that in the New Testament
Picky, are we? Last time I checked, a Christian HAS to read and accept both Testaments. When someone criticizes the Bible, people just keep citing the New, more tolerant, Testament.
Incidentally there is nothing in my post that says I believe the Bible, or that I am a Christian.
Says you.
Considering that the vast majority of Christians are much more tolerant of homosexuality than the most common religion on earth, Islam
Maybe, instead of comparing Christians to Muslims, you should compare them to atheists, who are 100x more tolerant. But that comparison doesn't fit your need for self-indulgence, does it?
I accept your comment as a positive statement that I am living my life in a way that others would convict me of being a Christian.
You wish. It is obvious that you are a Christian due to a simple fact: you are obsessed with gay marriage. Other religions don't care because it is a non-issue in their countries. By the way, Jewish people are far more liberal than Christians. Proof:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#Weste rn_Asia
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lauraholt170 — 13 years ago(December 27, 2012 09:25 AM)
You sound about as intelligent as a cactus, my friend. I do not agree with what a homosexual believes in and chooses to do, but that doesn't make me hate them or disrespect them in anyway. It's a different point of a view, a different opinion. I have gay friends and family members, Ib68 don't push them away or discriminate I just don't agree with their opinion. Is that a crime? It's called an opinion.
If you really understood the bible, you'd understand where people are coming fromgranted, there are a lot of so called Christian's out there who are preaching the word one minute then screaming that someone is going to hell because they've made a mistake. Being a Christian means you love people, no matter who they are or what they do. Forgiveness plays a pretty big part if you're serious about your faith. You can't pick and choose who you love, whether you agree with them or not.
Call me what you like, dismiss me and call me a bigoted, blindsided idiot if you wantI wouldn't have anything against you or anyone else who did. I actually just came onto Maggie's page to make a post about how she looks so much like Carrie Fisher and stumbled onto this thread(:
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marcos_ho — 13 years ago(December 27, 2012 03:04 PM)
You sound about as intelligent as a cactus
According to a recent study published in Nature, cacti are high1c84ly intelligent. So I will take it as a compliment.
I do not agree with what a homosexual believes in and chooses to do, but that doesn't make me hate them or disrespect them in anyway.
When you willingly deny another human being basic constitutional rights, that's called hate.
It's a different point of a view, a different opinion.
Whether someone should or should not get married, that's called an opinion???
I have gay friends and family members
Tell them you are against gay marriage and we'll see how much they respect you. And if they do say they love you no matter what, they are lying. I remember when interracial marriages were illegal. How come that changed? Many were of the opinion that they should stay illegal and yet, the laws changed.
I don't push them away or discriminate I just don't agree with their opinion.
You do understand that we are talking about constitutional rights, right? Not about favorite colors.
granted, there are a lot of so called Christian's out there who are preaching the word one minute then screaming that someone is going to hell because they've made a mistake. Being a Christian means you love people
Funny how that works. When a Christian makes a mistake, they are called "so-called Christians". The real Christians are the perfect ones, the honest ones, the kind ones. In that case, every Christian is infallible because we would eliminate all the others. By the way, if you had read the Bible, the entire Bible, you would know love is not the core of it. Then again, you only accept the New Testament, the lovey-dovey one, and not the Old testament, which is filled with hate.
Forgiveness plays a pretty big part if you're serious about your faith.
The Pope protected pedophile priests with his silence. So if the very head of Catholicism is not serious about his faith, who is? He is the face of Catholicism, right? Orthodox priests are one of the same, with a slew of scandals surrounding them. -
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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(May 07, 2015 01:29 AM)
Reread the "Christian bible" Jezus was NOT Love Love Love all of the time nor was he as forgiving as people claim. He name called, he insulted, he beat people with a whip, he fought the leaders of his time. He never said "All of you will go to Heaven"
And we DO CHOOSE WHO WE LOVE. We dont Love ugly women, we Love women that we ARE ATTRACTED TO.
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kubrickation — 15 years ago(February 04, 2011 01:30 PM)
it's not about the right to marry just someone, you fool, it's about the right to marry someone with whom you're genuinely in love. your logic (if one could call it that) presents marriage to someone to whom they're not attracted as the only viable option for gay men and women. that's asinine. your bigotry is no different from that of anti-miscegenation supportersit's just more modern.
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Jfk78 — 15 years ago(February 08, 2011 07:31 AM)
kubrickation as has been repeatedly pointed out by many on this thread marriage has wider implications than simply being in love. Its a hollow pursuit of a perceived right that your talking about. Everybody has the right to be with who they love and everbody should ideally have the right to have that union recognised by law. Its only those who wis1c84h to remain ignorant that would perceive my points as bigotry. Instead of judging me perhaps one should stand back and look at the wider long term implications of what they are proposing to society as a whole.
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Gah-freight — 15 years ago(February 12, 2011 12:36 PM)
I really don't know how this arguments been strung on this long cus it's simply that some people that are stopping gay marriage so why don't those people change? So that a group aren't restricted more than other groups. Marriage is like a social thing so is obviously not set in stone
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Jfk78 — 15 years ago(November 02, 2010 04:26 AM)
I assume your referring to interracial marriage. Being gay is not a race. The argument there was to keep racial purity. Thats not an issue with gay people for obvious reasons and only an idiot would think children raised by gay people would become gay because of itso its not applicable in this situation. It is about what marriage is and it is about rootsbloodlinesancestory descendents. The joining of two families. The continuance of family. Offspring. Its not society the excludes gay people from marriage. Its that marriage runs contradictory to the gay lifestyle. They cant reproduce together. Its that simple. Sure one could say the same for sterile couples but they are not a subculture. They are an unfortunate butb68 small proportion of the hetrosexual culture. Man and woman were specifically formed and created depending on ones beliefsto produce offspring together and throughout history dynasty after dynasty has done just that. I myself can trace my family history back centuries. Marriage after marriage completely randomly occurring and presently I am the product of that. I look at my daughter and I see the many generations yet to come. When gay couples can reproduce without any outside help then they have to be included in marriage. Until then they need to accept their lifestyle choice just as they had to accept their sexuality. I dont want my daughter growing up in a world where family and bloodties are an
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